VF5R Pai - what do you think?

Here are some of my observations:

-Pai has got 2, maybe 3 taunts. Dunno when you can do them, or character does it automatically.

-Old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is back /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif Big shame, i loved new /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif command /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

- 0:23 - this is Pai's new /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif . Looks nice, but its totally linear.

- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will be nice move for noobs or good stuff with delayed last palm to advanced players.

- 0:24 - propably /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif , i saw on one from first VF5R movies, that it will make foot crumple on CH.

- 0:29 - i think it will be /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif . Totally linear juggle starter with rather small range.

- 0:32 - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ? Small range, special mid, maybe it will have some interesting effects.

- 0:48 - new move, good range, mid, propably reanimated old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or it's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif command.

- Senpu Enka of course 55 dmg /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

IMO Pai will be one of the most nerfed chars in VF5R, but in good hands she will be dangerous as usual )

 

as long as she still has 2kk or whatever, shouldn't affect 85% of pai's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

I'm no Pai player, but her stand alone moves and new strings make her look more entertaining to me now. Definitely more interested in trying her in this version than previous ones.

 

Oh, you mean the 1kk(RenKaSenTai), yeah I agree with you on that. lol

Still, her new moves are looking great from the few vids we've seen.

As far as her being nerfed, I don't mind, I love being the underdog! lol

 

Any changes to her Meishouho and Bokutai stances? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

Propably not, they aren'r listed on new moves list /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif Shame

 

I saw new PAI VS JEFFRY VID and i noticed new move:

Propably it's new animation of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. You can see it at 1:28.

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=sXW1Ca8_dKQ

Totally linear low.I think its that move i seen on old vid, no /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, just this gives some crumple on NH/ CH.

 

http://kakomubi.zenno.info/updir/data/PAI_vs_JEAN.wmv

NEW VIDEO!!!

0:37 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is for sure giving foot crumple on hit.

0:47 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif makes opponent slam and propably gives gauanteed light pounce.

0:55 this is propably Pai's new evade attack, good damage, but totally linear. i think old DM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif was better.

1:27 /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif makes 25 - 30 damage.

2:19 OMG 97 damage. In situations like this, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif will be very useful. Quick move after stagger, then /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and WS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif = lots of damage. SWEET /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

New Pai moves look great, but they are nothing special to me.

 

im likeing some of pais new moves, i think i saw a shoulder ram but i wsas not to sure, mgiht have to srat playing this game again
heres the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1s1jceYFQ

 

havent seen her 7+K+G in any vids, perhaps its been tkaing out, im not to fussed that that 6+p, k has been taken out, never worked for me, maybe properties of 6+p are better but doubtful

 

6+P was excellent after low throw. 6+P won't stagger and it is the biggest defect of this move.

D df+P+K is Pai's new shoulder ram move. Everything is listed.

I also didnt saw somersault kick, but im sure they didnt remove it. It always was Pai's ''trademark'' move. Just like DDT.

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but im sure they didnt remove it. It always was Pai's ''trademark'' move. Just like DDT</div></div>

And the DDT is where now? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Oh right, removed. That being said, I highly doubt that 7+K+G has been removed from VF5R.

 

i like pais new moves, she seems less and less like her father, before they just had to many similarities,

 

From VF4: EVO Pai and Lau are totally diffrent characters. In VF4 only diffrence was playingstyle, in VF4: EVO Pai had so many new animations (ex. simple PPPK, PPPd+K) and moves that if VF EVO would be my first VF, the only same thing i've been noticed about this two would be surname CHAN.

EDIT:
I'm very intrested what about Pai's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif bouncy juggles. I know it now gives new effect, but what do u think, how will now combos work:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ?

IMO this will do shitty damage, i dont know any other moves you can followup after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, maybe Swallow Kicks.

And what about her new command - /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Will inashis gone ? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

I saw today on youtube some Aoi combo:

MC /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for 80 damage! Even Aoi has stronger juggles? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

EDIT2:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif now for 64 damage /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

 

Well, I disagree. They've been distinctive characters from the outset, in my opinion. With the exception of having PPPK-esque strings, their movelists have been quite different, as well as their play style. VF2 Lau was a beast with modified upknife-punch rushing (df,DF+PP, repeat), VF3 introduced Lau's elbow-palm and more variety to his palms (bb+P, Pb+Pf+P, etc). While Pai relied much more on poking in and out with sidekicks, swallow kicks and her option select DDT (f,d+P). Their throws and subsequent setups were quite different as well. VF3 Pai's ff+P was a refloater and the introduction of her from crouch throw changed her style of throwing and movement. VF4 Pai was an evolution in her playstyle, I think more than 2 to 3 even. Most of this was due to the way VF4 mechanics were put in place, but she became much more interesting with Bokutai options, etc.

I personally think that they've rarely had more in common than their last name for a long while.

 

Im talking, if my first VF would be VF EVO, i wouldnt see many similaries about Pai and Lau.

 

http://dogalog.excite.co.jp/viewvideo.jspx?Movie=48077036/48077036peevee179895.flv

New video:

Pai's juggles are now SO weak /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
2_6P P 2_6P 66PK only 66 damage
2_6P P 2_6P PPKK only 67 damage ...

SHIT!

in midair combo 66PK gives new flop effect.

 

i never said they were exactly the same, they just had alot of similair moves such as PK going into stance, rising kick that caused stagger but i think its been modified now, as well as u/b + K+G, and the punch strings mentioned before.

 

this thread needs more yips

 

IMO, I liked the old /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif since it's I don't think it's linear. (Can someone confirm that?)
And besides, no one does a lot of the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif combo anyways!
For the weakened moves, why did Sega do that!? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif
For the rest of the new moves, all I can say is the more moves, more options!!!
And the added taunts would be awesome!