[VF5R] Shun section

Just had the chance to play at bit of Shun in VF5R, here is what I have noticed:

Trickiness

If you thought Shun was already tricky, you should see the amount of variation he has now.

Here are some quick changes/new moves:

--After 6P+K (double handed punch that gives Shun 4DP), you can now do moves immediately after Shun drinks. The advantage to this is that you do not have the difficult guess you used to have it the opponent teched and ran at you, but you will only get 2 instead of 4 DP. So far, I have found a mid kick that falls down much like P+K, K, and a quick movement to the laying position (oushin).

--Oushin stance (laying down) has been upgraded in a MAJOR way. You can now do P to roll foward with a punch that hits mid and leaves you facing away from the opponent, P+K for a spin move that hits mid and moves Shun to the handstand stance, and 2K that looks much like the 2K from Shun's stance that was added to VF5, which moves him to standing position after hit/guard.

--3PPK has also been changed, you can move directly to oushin by hitting 2 after the K. This should make for some dirty okizeme setups with people who tech after 8K+G, PPK combos, etc.

Drinking Game

The importance of drinks looks as though it will be even greater in VF5R. How's this for starters: you cannot even use chouwan unless you have 6DP! I could not get the normal 3P+G throw to come out with 0 DP either, it seems you need at least 4 DP, though it could be lower (I normally tried to get neutral throw right away to raise DP so I could have access to chouwan).

However, there do seem to be more occasions to drink with moves.

New Moves/Changes

Lots to list and I do not know all the commands yet, but here is what I have:

--33P+G: a new throw where Shun begins the animation of the old 3P+G throw, but then stops before he flips over the opponent, takes a drink while he is on top of their back, and throws them down. You get 2DP, and the opponent falls face-first backwards, meaning if they tech you can do some dirty shit with sidekick (free stagger).

--_23P: lots changed here. On normal hit, you no longer knock down the opponent, and Shun even appears to be in slight disadvantage (-2 to -4). Luckily the opponent is pushed away, so you do not face too tough a guess. On minor counter, the opponent is knocked back violently, tumbling over him/herself in the same hit animation that has been added for Akira's double palm, Kage's 2K+G, etc. You cannot combo afterwards. On major counter only, you can get the normal combos from VF5.

--6P string: you no longer have the 6PPPK string. There is 6PP (which is now mid, mid, the first hit looking a lot like Shun's 6P change move in VF4FT), and you can cancel the second P into a variety of moves by doing P+K+G. The P+K+G does the same drink motion of 6P+K+G, and you can hit P to do another elbow class move, or K to do a kick that evades attacks and animates like Shun's normal evade attack.

--Could not get the full circular 64P to come out at all, regardless of drink count.

--The input for 43P has been changed to 43P+K. Still staggers on hit.

--236K, P P string. Animates just like Chouwan, but is a kick on the first hit. Hits M, H, M. Third hit knocks down on ANY hit. If you stop at the K and hold K, you can move Shun to choukarou (one-footed) stance. You need 6DP to do this move.

...that is about all I have for now, will add more updates once I play more or speak with some Shun players.
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wow! sounds kick ass! thanks a bunch! lol at us out here in west dieing to try this /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

 

Dave, did you notice any adjustments for 3p, k+g, 8k+g?

 

Woooooooooooooooooo! Shun sounds crazy fun! Thanks for the info!

 

Wow! Thanks a lot for all the information sekaijin!! This is very exciting stuff, I'm very excited (AND HAPPY) about the new stuff and the changes. Seems like they're going back to Shun's roots as a primarily "tricky" character.

Keep us updated! Thanks!!

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you cannot even use chouwan unless you have 6DP! </div></div>


Thankyou am2. I have a feeling the drink count for chouwan might come back down, but this is a really sensible adjustment made to one of the strongest moves of one of the strongest characters.

Nice post sekaijin. Thankyou.

 

It would be a huge loss for me if they took out 64P

 

Seems like they've made Shun even more advanced. Yay! Hopefully they haven't done anything with 3p or k+g. They're perfect! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

世界人？！ちょっとビックリｗ　情報、どうもありがとう

Yeah, I need to get these information too.

I use 3P, K+G, 8K+G alot! haha So, I need these skills info. Could you tell us about this? Sekaijin.


And Chowan needs to 6DP?! Thats shit! gah!

 

Taken from the ridiculously horrible Babelfish translation of Shu's blog. I could pick up some of what he's written, though some stuff may be wrong. The stuff I'm pretty sure I don't understand I won't write, but if I can take an educated guess as to what things are, I'll make a go. If anyone knows Japanese and wants to correct some of this, PLEASE DO! Thanks /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

2008 April 19th

<ul>[*]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has apparently changed. He seems mildly impressed, but nothing about what it is.[*]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif requires 6DP, and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif requires 8DP[*]He mentions /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, and that it leaves you in a down state (??). [*]In Tentoritsu, you can no longer cancel the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to go into Oushin. I guess it's cuz Oushin got a BIG power up (which he talks about later).[*]It seems like /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is GONE, and the move /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif has replaced it. the move still has its /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif follow up.[/list]there's more info, including some stuff on Oushin, but I couldn't really decipher it.

2008 April 21st

<ul>[*]It seems like there's a ways to go into Oushin from the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif string[*]they changed the way to enter the stances from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, so they basically got rid of the drunken walk-evade! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif leads to Zentou, and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif leads to Tentouritsu! HCF and HCB /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif for Oushin and Tentouritsu, respectively.[*]As you saw in the Shun v Eileen video, Shun can go into a BT Oushin. Well, it seems like you can go into BT Oushin after /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/list]

2008 April 24th
<ul>[*]Additional inputs after successful /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif:
--(During /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif drinking) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif: maybe the same as /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
--(During /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif drinking) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif: the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif from his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. input /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif to go into Oushin.
--(During /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif drinking) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif: to Oushin.[*]The back throw gives only 4DP now. srsly, wat?[*]Seems like you can go from Oushin to BT Oushin with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, and you can do a forward roll with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif (from which you can input /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif)[*]if you're in BT Oushin, you can roll away from your opponent by pressing /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif (i.e. AWAY). It seems you still have /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif options, but the attacks are different (?) the last attacks from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, respectively.[*]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif from Oushin go into some rolling movement into the foreground and backround![*]you can go into Oushin from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/uf.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif by inputting /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif after the attack.[/list]there's more in his posts, but I can't make it all out. This stuff makes me kinda excited though, don't know about you guys ;D

"Well, it changes considerably in release edition, it is probably will be however,
Privately considerably the pleasure. The various attacking is possible," -Babelfish