VF5R Vanessa: New moves and changes

Defensive Stance

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New move, seems like VF standard /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif . Can be seen at 0:47 in this video

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Seems to animate a bit faster now

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New animation, see it at the end of the last round

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New command, guess you can no longer decide which way to track. Second hit might come out a bit faster though, see for yourself at 2:12 in this vid

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New animation

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Animates a bit faster now, as seen at 1:02

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When you hit this move during combos now, they flip around. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif still connects afterwards though, but you don't get face down, head forwards okizeme. Watch it at 1:27 in this vid

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New high punch elbow. Can be seen used as a floater move in a combo in this video at 1:15

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New special low punch that replaces reversal, can be seen 02:01 in this vid. Gives leg collapse on CH.

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New move, now a slow long range knee that seems to knock down on CH, see it at 1:17 in this vid

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This move is not on the movelist, so it might have been removed...

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Also not on the movelist. Good riddance, I might add.

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New throw, haven't seen it yet

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Easier command, down kick no longer guaranteed, but the throw itself does 70 dmg now, see it at 0:36 here

UNKNOWN MOVE
At 1:10 in this video. I have a hunch it's a new /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

 

Offensive Stance

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Can go directly into elbow strings now from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, Jacky style, check it out at 0:53

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New high knee move that gives knockdown from elbow, natural combo. Moving pictures of it at 1:08

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New low punch attack, can be seen at 0:47 in this vid.. Looks like it might possibly give something on CH.

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Command for Takedown grab changed from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

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New type of crumble animation on counterhit, seems combos from it gives less damage then VF5. Can be seen at 2:35 here

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Command for Takedown grab changed from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

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New move, no idea what it is. Could be a new command for ws+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif since it's not in the command list.

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Command for Takedown grab changed from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

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Command for Takedown hit throw changed from /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif to /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif.

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New shoulder attack, looks like it's quite fast and has decent range. You can see it at 1:10 in this vid (downloadable link)

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New high punch, don't know what it does on hit yet. Sobers 2 dp according to movelist. 1:31 in this vid is probably it

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Supposedly has new animation, haven't seen it

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Now a special high hitthrow, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif on hit, as seen at 1:57 in this video

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New full circular crescent kick, similar to Goh's /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif. Can be seen at 1:45 in this vid

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Jumps a bit lower, but also doesn't whiff like before.

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Haven't confirmed if they've replaced this move in OS too...

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New animations. You only get to do ONE move now when in Takedown, but in turn they do more damage. You can see /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif animation at 1:31 here

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Formerly /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, the standalone takedown throw. Has a new and faster animation, doesn't have the reach as before though. Check it out at 1:31

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New throw, does 50 dmg. See it at 1:52 here

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New command for wall throw? Very possible considering the command overlap now with the takedown tackle. Maybe low wall as well?

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Command list now lists this as a mid attack...?

 

That shoulder attack and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif are gonna be a godsend against Lei-fei and Aoi...

Up until now the only attack she could really rely on to beat sabakis at close range was /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif(DS) if I'm not mistaken...

 

You can also use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif in both OS and DS since they're both give good dmg on counterhit.

 

ah yes, I tend to forget about /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif because of Lei's attack that beats out lows, but thats definitely an option.

 

Updated the format, moves and now also added video links. If someone spots anything, write it here and I'll add it to the first posts.

 

I'm not a big fan of losing my reversals. The new stuff better be worth it.

 

A low attack that knocksdown on counter hit...no need for impossibly-hard hit-confirming. I'll take that over a silly midpunch/kick reversal anyday...especially when she can already sabaki those attacks.

 

It will be different to see vanessa without reversals but her sabakis and counter attacks have always been able to counter those types of quick attacks anyway and Sega saw this and changed her around but I don't see it as a major turn off.

I would rather attack the low attacks and get counter hits than have to wait for it using a reversal as well. This new version of Vanessa should be fun to play regardless.

 

Vanessa's reversals were (at best) marginally important anyway. Major weakness is that she couldn't reverse elbows, that would've made them a little better, but still not important.

 

So /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is still safe on block, yeah?

 

Thank you for taking the time to format all this Jeneric!!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbs_up.gif

The move apparently produces a wall splat as can be seen in sanchan's 2008-7-23_23_29_EILEEN_vs_VANESSA vid (0:45) allowing for a decent wall combo /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

If i'm allowed to take a wild guess, since the new OS shoulder seems to also produce the same kind of knockdown i suppose it will produce the same kind of wall splat. Continuing on the same wild guess i'd say this means the old leg bomber remains for OS and hasn't been replaced with the new knee.

 

Thanks for that Jeneric!
There is a mistake in OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, add another /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif please, before the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (where you noticed there is an input change for TKD)

- OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif
I think the move used to be /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/db.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif as it says you can continue with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif series

- OS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif(hit)/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif & /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif(counter hit)/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
command changed for TKD, used to be /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif

Takedown /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif
Just like you wrote, they are one hit commands now. Note that the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif one is (-1DP).

 

I was going to correct and add some things, however, I'm unable to edit the posts now for some reason.

 

Myke reduced edit post timeframe to 8hours or so in response to certain antics. If you want to post changes, go ahead & a mod can move them to the first post

 

They took away/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif in OS. I was really falling in love with that move.

 

I totally agree with Chefboy; i am using heavy impact almost exclusively from OS myself, given that DS has the almighty shadow slicer. It feels weird the move is being taken out from the stance it's more useful for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

BTW, the same could be said for Leg Bomber: the move is not that frequently used from OS since there's the HAWK knee if you want to jump & crush a low. So it kinda feels weird that they are replacing the move from DS, the stance that actually uses leg bomber /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

 

Leg bomber is useful in OS...if you happen to launch someone on a wall with it. It's the only way Vanessa is gonna get double-triple rebounces on anyone. XD

Ok..so maybe it's not useful...

 

Nevermind leg bomber - the new shoulder ram from OS *does* give wall splat like i guessed! Check out acebreaker's newest vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOLKR_-2-To