We are playing every Saturday online in room, 10 players across all Russia.
The only a bit delay exists between Moscow (mine location) and Vladivostok (yellow connect).
Europe is fine.
Some US players are fine.
Even done Jap players are playable.
ALL network problems (delay, lags) happens ONLY b/c the concrete player’s provider issues even in my own town = mostly pockets losses is the cause! This is NOT VF5US netcode fault!
Most my other T7 friends agreed that VF5US netcode is better for them when they are playing with the same person in both game.
I am not talking that VF5US is excellent, no, it has issue and need to be improved, but it is not worse than other _3D_ fightings’ netcode (T7, DoA6, SC). 2D fighting games allows rollback _successfully_ b/c of their short executions = they are better in online yes (MK, etc). But again NOT 3D!

VF5FS was better and smoother.

VF5US buttons feel a bit harder. It became harder to punish, you barely can't duck high and launch anymore, it's almost impossible to whiff punish, staggers now are kinda broken, perfect frame on meaty is not a thing anymore for some characters ...

A lot of wrong or dead inputs (not registred), it became so difficult to play on reaction, the fuzzy to high/throw is strange sometimes, some break throws are not registred sometimes, some successful evades on unsafe moves tend to not guaranty your punish and you get blocked.

Yeah... This online is terrible and random (rng) to me. And players know it, so 80% of them try to play full screen random and mash everytime, they mostly play clowny and disrecptecful on purpose cause this online allows it.

VF5US has better graphics (stages, colorful, and costumes), better musics, better menus, better features...... But for the gameplay and online, VF5FS was superior and more playable.

@Sonic The Fighters

Maybe there's just some difference between PS3 or Xbox Hardware and the PS4 implementation. Maybe the timing issues aren't really an online thing, but more of a PS4, controller/stick thing.

I go back and forth between VF5FS and VF5US offline, and something is different. I'm not quite sure whether Its the video connection, the controller, or some other hardware thing.
I don't think the code for VF5US has changed much over VF5FS, but something got lost or was added in the translation from PS3 to PS4.

I look for any and every way I can hate on the hit sparks, so in the back of my mind I blame the damn hit sparks for the timing / frame differences

If they just ported VF5FS to new generation platforms with better offline modes, all customization items and rollback netcode it would be better and enough for me. I already said this many times but every time you experience VF5US you just wish that again (at least for me). As for graphics stuff, my taste goes for VF5 vanilla as it's still decent and luxurious after all these years. VF5US got worse facial designs like muppets show and pale dynamic that i can't stand.

Maybe i'm going too hard with the game, and VF will stay my fighting game cause it's too good and i love it so much but...

It's hard to accept that a new version of your game 10 years layer seems to play less good.

I remember playing a great connection on VF5FS 360, and it felt like "OFFLINE" ! It was amazing and you just don't want to stop playing.

I've never experienced this on VF5US, and i think it will never happen.

M8 we all love the game

But VF4EVO and VF5 was Virtua Fighter at its best. VF5FS dropped Quest Mode and Tournaments , dropped the Announcer , and dropped Single Player Profiles and Win/Loss statistics. (Sparring Mode was not a true replacement for Quest) and License Mode should have been part of the tutorial. VF5US is an even bigger step down from VF5FS it watered down the 2 Arcade Modes into one very weak arcade mode. It dropped Sparring Mode. It Dropped License Mode. It dropped half of the customization, and it added Tekken Style Hit Sparks.

Not only does it play less good, it is the worst game in the series since Virtua Fighter 4

Instead of VF gaining ground after 10 years, it lost ground and has come up short

@akai I want VF to be successful. I want the community to grow. I also appreciate your positive spin on VF5US.

But c'mon man. It was on PS PLUS for free. There are regular notifications and reminders sent to the PSN community that freebies downloads are available. for PSN members that have PS PLUS. PS4 owners are virtually forced to have PS PLUS if they want to play most multiplayer games and many single player games. People download free sh#t just to download free sh#t.

If VF5FS was free to play on PS3 and Xbox OMG with the content VF5FS has compared to the meager content that VF5US has, I'd be willing to bet money VF5FS would have triple the people trying it. First because there would be multiple platforms involved, and second because when VF5FS was initially released it was still relevant in the FGC and we had to Petition and Beg (I know you remember) and plead with Sega to release it. if VF5FS was Free to Play for anyone who had XBL or PSN for 60 days. C'mon man , VF5FS tries would've smashed VF5US tries..

Let's be honest about VF. There was never any question about how well a new version of VF would be received. It was clear from the petition for VF5FS how much folks outside of Japan love the game. That love has never went away. Sega did not need to hide behind the 60th anniversary and a Free2Play model to determine the interest in VF. They were able to gauge interest by how many people played the mini-games in Yakuza and Judgment.

This latest maneuver with the VF series is not about gauging interest in the series , its trying to test the waters for something else. I know you are a smart guy and you can figure out whats really going on

I really hope we do get a new VF, but I am pessimistic about what shape it will take. I'm hoping (perhaps against all hope) that it will distinguish itself in the tradition of Virtua Fighter series and be represent the VF we all know and love.

@akai

I think you are the one who compared the number of players who tried a free version of VF versus the number of people who tried a version that was not free right

Unless you have hard sales numbers didn't you just start your post off with
a hypothetical

And of course I repeat myself, when I'm asked the same question , or attacked on the same topic, or criticized about the same position. Some would call that being consistent.

And I think others have repeated the "we need rollback netcode" position
ad nauseum, over and over again. I suspect there is enough repetition to go around

Granted my repetition tends to be more verbose, but that's more a function of wanting to err on the side of clarification and thoroughness

I usually don't post about governments, laws, politicians, voting, government policy, or who should or should not be in office. So I don't understand your reference to politician

I understand. no offense taken m8.

I will vote for the politician @masterpo as VF progressive candidate who face the backward traditionally corporates mistakes *SEGA*

I appreciate his effort into typing voraciously always to be honest, which proves he really cares about VF and want it to be the best. Even if he repeate himself; he won't be worse than SEGA who repeate mistakes and even make it bigger every new VF release and the ones who praise it no matter what

I think you played just a bit of T7 and was unlcky to find only ugly matches, or it was before Season 4, cause i can't see how somebody can find VF5US netcode better than T7.

Told this to Chief Flash on his stream he dismissed me like I was bullshittin’ some moves feel different and don’t connect the same.

Chief Flash is a cool dude, one of the coolest in the VF community.

But some people don't have time for little drama or just don't care about negativ things, and mostly if it's their favorite game until they have solid proofs...

VF5US needs a very deep analysis about its online/netcode, about its input lag, and about a comparison with the VF5FS version.

Nobody did it yet.

I would like to see a video on YouTube of a "professional" test and deep analysis of VF5US (just like Digital Foundry for example), and a strict comparison between VF5US PS4/PS4Pro/PS5 but also a comparison with VF5FS 360, in every parts of the game (online/netcode, input lag, framerate test, gameplay in every situations...).