kbcat has finished his first pass thru the movelists, adding the frame stats from the blue book. AFAIK, he still needs to correct the damage values in the new tables. The first priority was to get the execution and advantage frames up. kbcat, please comment if this is wrong. Click on the link in my sig and then click on the character names on the navigation bar. You want the VF4c movelists for the most up to date tables. Now everyone thank kbcat for his time and hard work!!! =) Viva la revolutione!