vs Pai.

She is my worst nightmare. She destroy my strategy. I cannot space because her moves are faster than my backdash.
I cannot 2P into her strings because it doesn't reach.
Somehow her moves reach me very well.

 

Then try overpowering her as a pai player I came across a few Akiras and they were beating her by crushing her every poke and using their overpower mids. I almost had to resort to abandoning the quick low and mid poke game that I love so much because they were being overpowered by their moves. I am sure Jeffry can do the same especially when you use your double handed moves that she can't catch with her reversals.

 

I tryied 4KP. Not that great like on other players. Doesn't reach.
3K is to slow.

 

I am no Jeff expert, but I can say that one of the things I took advantage of in our 1 match last night was that I saw I was able to attack you between most of your moves. For example, your 16-frame /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is -4 on hit, -14 on block. That leaves a character like Pai ample time to use half her movelist to interrupt you when you go for 2 in a row, or for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif . It also left me time to charge my huge kick, which staggers on block or floats on hit, giving me the easy ringout.

We're closely ranked and evenly matched, so that's all the help you'll get from me against me, for now... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

Why would you want to be running away from pai? She's got a silly long range game. Block something and knee her in the face until she starts trying to reverse or evade, then start KKP and 46P (or 66P+K if you can time it).

If she's using 6K+G or swallowkick too much, OM K backcrumple her a couple of times - it's not the most consistent thing in the world, but it does so much damage it'll give her a second thought. Don't try to throw her when she's backturned until you've proven that you're willing to hit her; most pais want to do 66K+G (block) K or 2P.

You dont want to be using 4KP except as a minor counter guaranteed damage, you want to be using 4K and fishing for a counter-hit, in which case you can do 43PP for a lot more damage.

Oh, and stop doing 1k 2p 1k 2p and 2p 2p 33P+G /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

If you're having trouble with something particular, find me & I'll be happy to play the same pai strategy over and over at you until you figure it out.

 

Leave her alone! She's just a little girl...

 

@KoD.

I don't use 1K any more. I changed my gameplan lately.

And yes. I try to get 4KP on CH. Her strings look very slow. Like there is plenty of time to hit her in beetwen her moves.

 

C1REX I have noticed you use that set up that KOD mentioned a lot. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif > /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif ... if it works one time, let that be it for a while. Using the same move a lot is one thing but if you repeat a whole pattern of moves it's way too easy to Yomi it after one or two uses. No offense at all please, just something I've noticed the few times we've played and KoD reminded me of it in his post, that's all...

 

I used to use that a lot. A LOT.
Now I try to concetrate on knee and throws.

The problem is most of Pai players have laggy connection with me.
Hard to react and punish.

 

Yes I hear simply choosing Pai causes the connection to become spotty.

 

You have the best connection with me and you are from NYC.
Other players have much worse. Unplayable for me.

 

OK sorry for sarcasm. I have great connections with other countries, and many bad ones within the US.

 

C1REX best way to beat Pai is to just mash her face in, just ask Seven5suited =)

 

I'm talkin about very different way of playing.
He doesn't use much moves that I have problem to deal with.

Geewaiho and Konradinho - They are out of my league.

 

Really I eat Konradinho for breakfast, don't know about Geewalho though. Is it Konradinhos hit and run stand there and guard style of play? I'd suggest.....

Learn Pais moves and stop getting hit by the dumbass cart wheels and don't have low punch wars with them. Most pai players have a crutch as well, see 1kk and that chop followed by a charge kick. answer is step and crouch - punish.

Start dodging C1REX this is something I do a lot more of that you don't as well. Get out the way and fuggin KILL them. You need to get used to making them make a decision. If they condition you, you're in trouble condition them and you'll be fine. Also be prepared to ABARE, Konradinho loves to hit you a couple of times and throw....don't let him do this. Make him think your going to attack but keep in mind his answer to abare is always.

1KK.

 

Geewaiho and Konradinho play very ofensive.

 

C1REX, if you want to use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b_.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif somewhere, i suggest it's after an OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif hit. Now, i'm no Jeffry expert but i find that OM /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif pretty much shuts down the average Pai player. I suppose that's because they're used to having the advantage/small disadvantage based on the frames they know and when you sidestep and hit them in the same time the just try to mash their way out of it.

That said, i don't think Geewaiho will fall for it /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif

Also, cartwheels give most people a hard time because they have large active frames AND large damage, meaning that they will outdamage and thus win most moves de to the way VF handles conflicting moves (highest damage wins). Theoretically Jeffry has one move that will kill cartwheels: /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif. Sure it's slow but smart Pai players only use carwheels at range (cause they are slow and up close they could be MC easily) baiting for a whiff and hit while the opponent's move is in recovery. However kenka kick has good range and will probably reach them, and it's monster damage guarantees it will take precedance. My guess is that if you nail them with it once they'll probably stop the spacing game.

 

hey sry we did not have a better connect rex..need to have more games with the better jeff players..adam iz not always online..

 

not sure if u r talking about me here rex..but i do play different from geewai..ithink he iz better with her than i am. i just really play on instincts. i just started to learn about frames and fuzzy,from C flash i have a long way 2 go.. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

 

i would think im a combo of both,geewai 4 sure iz offensive never played Konradinho..is he better than geewaiho ?