What is more Important. Offence or Defence.

I am beginning to think that a good defence will beat a good offence. what do you guys think. is defence just a form of good offence??

 

In tournaments for both sports and games, I'd put my money on defense. I also feel it's tougher to be good at, and doesn't receive as much glory or props usually, but it's damn important.

 

A good defense initiates opportunity for offense. If you have no offense you can't really do much. If your a beginner, focus your game on offense (learning strings & combos) and let your defense develop by learning defensive attacks, and also learning about the other characters.

As a beginner you'll begin to realize that you need to do more than just high block. The best players have the best defense.

 

I think defense is key in Virtua Fighter, or at least against me.
Heh.

 

Depends on your perspective. I'm kinda a huge fan of balancing offense and defense. Too much of one or the other and you'll find yourself in a lot of trouble early. Beauty of this game is everyone (characters and the folks that use them) each has a different way of defending.

 

Defense keeps you alive but it doesn't do damage. Fight based on what your opponent is doing. You will win unless your opponent is unpredictable.

 

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Honestly, I think it depends on your character too... I would say with Lei, Lau, Brad, Lion, Akira and Eileen (maybe more), offense is more important. For Goh, Vanessa, Aoi, etc... I think defense is more important.

Each character has a balance between offense and defense. A character like Lion or Eileen have a few less "defensively-oriented" moves and rely more on rushing and confusing your opponent with mix-ups... You can win with Lion no problem without ever even attempting his sabaki or parries.

With a character like Goh, you have the option to gamble with a wide range of sabaki's to turn the tide on most types of attacks so it's far more important to his overall strategy. Same with Aoi, she has many more defensive, reversal-type moves which allow you to gamble more on defense and do damage or get the initiative back.

It has to do with how your characters moves are distributed. Obviously I'm not talking about universal defensive options like fuzzy or ETEG, those will help ANY character win. I'm referring more to using a specific characters move-set offensively or defensively.

I think personally, as far as universal defensive techniques go, Fuzzy Guard is the most important and most effective skill. The sheer number of situations that arise where you can use it make it of utmost importance. If you can Fuzzy well and do it often, you can stifle your opponents offense ridiculously bad. A good Fuzzy often will create a ton of opportunities to counter attack as well because they will be whiffing throws and getting their mids blocked for disadv...

 

Is all about openings. Is knowing when to calm down at the right time. Or knowing when to turn up the heat. Fuck it, Machi all the way, LOL.

 

agreed. although defense is more important in any decent fighting game. if you can't get hit, you can't lose!

 

Just because eileen can be played as a rushdown offensive powerhouse doesn't mean that's how you should play her if you plan to win. New eileen players who saw gernburgs post about that, disregard it, I don't' want more eileen players learning her wrong.

Working on defense with her has been the single best thing I've doen because she is ridiculously safe, but only if you know how to use ETEG's properly and Fuzzy. Otherwise she pretty much sucks because you'll be getting hit out of moves more than am2 ment for you to. A good player will block most of eileen's little tricks because they're relativly slow, and unless you're getting CH's you're not goign to be racking up much dmg and Most of eileens good moves leave her at disadvantage on hit such as 6P+K so she really needs thos CH's.

How do you get CH's? By having good denfense. You have to know how to punish effectively and know that when you've blocked a big move that you have this extra free advantage now which will make your moves come out "faster" since u're so far ahead, but if your opponent just keeps attacking then they're going to get CH (what eileen needs badly).

Something a lot of people don't do is when they get hit with 2P, 6P, P CH's they don't ETEG. That option stuffs the mid throw game, and only losses out to the full circular/half circular option. That's a much better guessing game to be dealing with on the defensive than Mid/throw, and that's hard to do.

I no longer look at defense as a way to be passive, playing defense is using the free advantage you get from blocking a move and using it to make ur next move come out faster because of it. And for eileen that's a godsend, makes her even harder to fight against, she basically becomes even more monkey like making it hard to hit her overall. That plus have a nice dmging combos to work with (though they're hard to land on someone good) is what makes her scarry.

 

My style is offence.

That's why I always get CH!! lol

But I was thinking all offence is all deffence.

And I sometimes think that too.

 

Balance is the key for me because if I get too aggressive I get crushed, if I play too defensive I get crushed the same way. Defense leads to offensive chances with any character in the form of crumples, CH, pop ups, or major disadvantages after a sidestep or block. Offense can lead to defensive chances because they expect attacks and start to react accordingly after seeing it enough your defense gets better because you read their reactions accordingly and act based on it.

Mixing it up some makes it even harder but for some offense works best others it is defense for each person however it works good for you. Both online and vs the CPU, balance has always been my best tool against anyone and I am at my best when I can best use a good mix of the 2 perfectly. For a while online I was playing the too passive and I had to get back to being balanced again like I am when I face the CPU (I can't play passive or aggressive against it regardless of what I do further emphasizing my need for balance even more)

 

Yomi

 

For 2D fighters, it's more on the offensive than defensive.
For 3D fighters, it's more defensive than offensive.

My theory.

 

Dude I mentioned ETEG and Fuzzy in that post and said they were both of utmost importance. I was only referring to their move-sets in the first part. I agree ETEG and Fuzzy are HUGE.

^Eh???^

 

yeah I know you stated later in your post to say that you ment the overall movelist of the character. But still I didn't contrue the main question to be can you use your characters defensive moves well. It's a general questoin about offense and defense hence I don't want new eileen players reading your post and thinking it's okey not to learn defense.

 

I'm almost all offense and it works to a degree, but I do admit I would do a lot better if I worked on my defense just as much. But if you were to switch it and if my defense was as good as my offense was, and my offense was as good as my defense, then I doubt I would do nearly as well.

I think it's all up to the player though and depends on what style you prefer. One person could excel because they got such great defense, and another because of their offense. I don't think there really is a black/white answer here.

 

I honestly think it has to do with your character too. You can't get away with as many wins with Goh without playing good defense, with Lion you can. Some characters are more offensively or defensively geared, you have to find the balance that works for you. If much of your move-set is defensive maneuvers like sabaki's or crush moves, it's likely you will benefit from using them.