Where's B1 and IMF

Well its 2003, Wheres B1 and IMF?

Told Ya So.

Not everyone has staying power. 2-2 1/2 years once VF isn't so fresh anymore....

Well maybe FT....

PFFF definately not deserving to be longterm hardcore.

Much respect to the players like Shota, Ice, Myke, Sumeragi, a few TO guys, Emil etc. who took it to the very end or close of a 4+ year long journey with little to no competition; I personally probably wouldn't without being with the NYC'ers.

In these days where MORE people play VF4 than 3, with more information, more movies, there seems to be less hardcore players.

I feel for cappo, shou and maddy the top 3 in the country that have stayed competative without alot of proper competition arond them. I'd be seriously owned if they practiced weekly with us; definately honorary team nyc'ers /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif

As for IMF and B1.....Who are they again?

 

Life goes on Andy, there really isn't a point to this but looking for trouble.

 

What the fuck is your problem, don't start shit... does anyone even care for the stuff you posted?

P.S.1 You forgot to clearly state NYC l33tness.
P.S.2 Wrong forum.

 

um go play marvel if you want someone to give a shit

noone cares that there are good vf players in the US

If you play VF, then you play because you like the game, not because you're going to get mad props for being good, because 95% of the fighting game community doesn't give a fuck.

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Much respect to the players like Shota, Ice, Myke, Sumeragi, a few TO guys, Emil etc....cappo, shou and maddyteam nyc'ers

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wait; why aren't those guys posting here talking shit?















oh yeah because they're not gay

 

U.S. VF arcade scene doesn't exist. You're wasting your time.

I have been training in the yuki dojo for quite some time. I am the one who is now to be feared. There can be only one!!!

 

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I feel for cappo, shou and maddy the top 3 in the country that have stayed competative without alot of proper competition arond them. I'd be seriously owned if they practiced weekly with us; definately honorary team nyc'ers /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif


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And a hearty fuck-you to you too.

 

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Well its 2003, Wheres B1 and IMF?

Told Ya So.

Andy you are an asshole.
Not everyone has staying power. 2-2 1/2 years once VF isn't so fresh anymore....
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As for IMF and B1.....Who are they again?

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Andy you are an asshole. What exactly did you tell everyone? Remember this post where you tell everyone how great B1 and IMF are? Here it is since I think you forgot... Good parts are bolded...

If you told anyone B1 and IMF wouldn't stay with it, this was obviously after you other people were complete assholes to them to the point where one would have to wonder why they'd want to stay...

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Blonde Ones old thread was getting too long so I thought I would write a new thread in their defense.

Have any of you stopped and realized who Blonde One and IMF remind you of?

Ad and I were talking and we came to the conclusion that if you look back in history the NYC peeps weren't the most welcome group on the Internet just like the FL peeps today.

Blonde One=CrewNYC
IMF= AdamYuki

Do you guys realize that? I have a great deal of respect for Blonde One and IMF for travelling so far just to play a game and get better...

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I certainly would give more credit to Blonde One's thoughts about VF4, over a very good VF3 player that didnt play much VF4 competatively.

People like Blonde One serve an important role in the VFDC community. Creed who does an awesome job categorizing clips, and others who write lengthy information posts, serve an important role to fuel the information on VFDC.

Believe me though when I say the attitude that Blonde One and IMF have will make them very formidable and overall strong VF players.

If history is any indication the FL Crew will become a force to reckon with in VF4.

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CrewNYC


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Yup, you sure did tell everyone that they'd quit soon and not amount to much...

-Alex

 

are you drunk bro? wtf...this really was not called for.

 

when we've all quit playing this game, years from now, here's what I'll remember:

Blonde 1 and IMF: I feel bad about laying into them a little when they first came to VFDC, even though I think I had some kind of point back then. Regardless, they're both very cool dudes in real life, and it was so cool to meet them in Texas.

Despite the fact that my matches with IMF at that time were VERY fun, challenging and contained a mental conversation that was ultra-intense; I think I'll remember more just talking to IMF and B1 about random things, and how cool they were (along with everyone I met there, the goldens, pablo, DRE, vulcan, modest mouse brothers etc).

I'll remember their character.

NYC Andy: Despite the fact that I spent some nice time with you in LA a few years ago, your online slandering of a lot of cool people, and endless self-worship sadly reduce you to a total jerkoff in my book, now and forever.

what's really sad about this is that you base all this comparison on how good people are at playing a video game...

there's another guy that's well-known in this scene who kind of acts like you, I won't say his name. Difference is this guy actually has a LOT of VF skill, much more high level than you by anyone's standard. But, like you, he loves to toot his own horn; main difference here:

you're bragging based mainly on the accomplishments of your FRIENDS

he brags based on HIS skill

here's where it gets interesting: when I ask almost anybody that they think of either of you, I usually (not always, but about 95% of the time) get a comment about how your behavior just reduces you guys to being annoying pricks.

bottom line is, people DON'T CARE how good you are, or how good other people are, if they act like bitches, assholes, selfish jerks, whiners etc.

I give much more props to someone that plays VF, has fun with it, and decides at a certain point to move on (or take a break) than I do someone that clings to it primarily as a way to bolster their ego by telling themselves "I'm better than him and him and him and I can do this and this..."

I think that VF is first and foremost a social activity. And no matter how good you, or anyone, is at it, if you fail in the social aspect of it, that's what people notice. Like I said about "Player X" above, no one talks about how good he is (and he's very good), in real life (offline) everyone talks about what a dildo he is socially! THAT's IT!

I'm sure all this is a big joke to you, and you're not listening to anything I'm saying, but I'm tired of your underhanded slandering of my friends.

I've been keeping this under my hat for a long time, because the person who told it to me specifically ASKED me not to repeat it. But, I think it's the only thing that I can say that will reach you, so here goes.

This comment was told to me, directly, by one of your "friends", a few years ago. When I say friends, I mean someone from your "CrewNYC", one of the BIG dudes in your click, a real homie of yours, a rival, I'm sure you even consider him a teacher in many ways. Don't bother asking your pals who said it, they'll all deny it, dude probably forgot by now (this was in VF4 era though, so...). I don't really care about how you play either way, but since you seem to put so much stock in this kind of thing, I'll tell you. I hope it helps your game!

"Andy plays VF like a wild animal. You know, he sort of goes into 'Auto-Pilot' mode, like flailing the moves without thinking so much. Kind of an 'educated flail' I guess you could say, like how with Jacky he just does f+P,K all the time without delaying the K, or seeing if the P hits or whatever, just f+P,K! f+P,K!.... he wins sometimes, but it seems random, like the pattern happened to work that time or whatever..."

heh, to the person who told me that, sorry I let it out... but Andy made me do it. I actually am good at keeping secrets /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif!

Anyway, I'm sure you'll bust out some comment about my playing from someone now, go ahead, I don't care at all about how good I am over this person or that person. I know I've acted self-righteous many times on this site about various things, but I've never stooped to the level of bitchery that you've sunk to, so I'm not really worried about what someone might say (esp. since everyone in this thread but yourself seems to agree with me).

Bryan

 

Well for a long time the title of flamer has been passed to people like Shang and Ryan, so I thought the post would spice things up.

Spot sorry to hear u have such strong opinions of me; however no one can ignore some simple facts.

The post was to drum up the time frame for all the rooting tooting that the FL guys made in the early days about how they would stick around and play the game....my post was to prove that I saw certain characteristics in them that led me to believe that they

#1) would have the right players to support their goals hence they would quit

or

#2) they were young players who were just talking a big talk and wouldn't have the interest to stick around and play.

Now granted it was like 90% B1 and only 10% IMF.

Do you happen to remember a little post I wrote about how we can improve the players in the USA to reach as close as we can get to Japanese levels?

I fully defended FL when I thought they were following in our footsteps then suddenly IMF and B1 turn the tables and say we have a strong enough scene on our own...to paraphrase it was an ego trip of we are the new hotness...how could u be the new hotness if you haven't stuck around long enough? Once the two cozied up and became friendly with the other VFDC'ers they felt no need to flame and the need follow in my philosophy wasn't needed anymore, it was then I knew they didn't have it in them, they merely wanted to be accepted by the community. I told them they wouldn't last.

I told them and you and everyone else the type of determination, time, competative spirit and seeking out local players to build a group it would take. I also said for all the flaming FL was doing I called them out and said "lets see if you'll be here in a few years."

the unanimous opinion was that they would be here, with or without NYC's involvement

I mentioned that ONLY through rivalries and through competition can we improve.

My conversation with cappo proved imf's motivation in playing this game. Cap said IMF quit because he couldn't be the best without competition. B1 quit because of a lack of motivation and once Che moved that was it for IMF.

All the years of experience NYC has gone through from VF3 to 4 has shown us as a group what it takes to become good and to stay together to build a scene.

Is it a coincidence that the top players in this country (except maddy) have had rivalries with NYC?

Shou/Rodney
Che/Andy (In my pai days /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif
B1/Andy (In my C Lau days)
Imf/Adam

NYC teamed around one another and trained each other to beat our rivals and be the best. I've been wanting to quit this game for so long and I desperately wanted FL to take over for NYC but I knew what it would take to build the proper scene.

SPOT LOTS of people flame me cause they think I like to just play anyone and win. Truth is I dont care about playing anyone that wont dedicate time to proving they care about getting good.

I didn't like many of the changes they made from 3 to 4 and I basically stuck around 1/2 to see if what I said was true and 1/2 to beat all the old vf3 players that transitioned into 4.

You cant ingore the fact that the top players in this country right now who want to play a group or with a scene come to NYC, we are the only ones left who will provide the level of play the 3-5 players in the USA deserve to play at. It was the same thing in 3 and now it's the same in 4. NYC is only good because we have each other and that is something I told FL was key to making their scene. Shou always tells me how lucky I am to have so many good players around me, I can't tell you how true I think that is. FL had B1, Jedi, IMF etc. and they let the key players who could improve slack off. I cant tell you how many times I've been pushed and called by the NYC players to train. You have no idea the kind of trash I would take from the other players if I let Shou, Che or anyone else beat me really bad Thats the way it is to get good.

We built a good philosophy on the game and on training for people to copy.

It's ironic how MORE people play VF4 than 3, yet the top players outside NYC have FEWER good players to play with.

I'll add two people to my list of three I feel bad for to include Jerky and Shang....and man...have you heard those two trash talking...it must be what keeps them together...I never know if one really believes what the other is saying.

Shou
Che
Maddy
Jerky
Shang

These 5 can beat the crap out of everyone in this country. With so many more people playing this game it really shouldn't be this way.

Spot and everyone else, have you ever considered that my philosophy jusy might be accurate and true?

 

Shou
Che
Maddy
Jerky
Shang

So uhmmm..aye!


GO TEAM NYC!

YEAR TWO THOUSAND AND FOUR!

 

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Spot and everyone else, have you ever considered that my philosophy jusy might be accurate and true?

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You made me think of something.

I'd once wondered if right-wing "Christian" figure Pat Robertson's philosophy on life would be right, for a moment.

Then I came to the solid conclusion that he is an idiot. An idiot with a lot of money and power, but still a delusional, reactionary dipshit who is too self-absorbed in his own beliefs and only listens to his core group of ass-kissing supporters to bolster his ego (and his pocketbook). Unwilling to take criticism, and who feels the need to lash out at those who he feels threatened by, making all kinds of crazy excuses to justify his actions.

I can see more than a few similarities...

 

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So how does a local VFer in your book, prove to you he wants to get good. Shunning a player before they even get a chance to start is the elitist attitude that kills the scene. There is something called motivating people and sure maybe 5-10 people will drop off, but i think its worth it for the 1 that permantently added to the group. VF is already a struggling scene, theres no need to make it worse.

And that first post was just plain disrespect.
Get your mind right, now that you got the attention you wanted.

 

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If my philosophy is so wrong why is it that the above statement is so true? If you think I am so wrong there should be several times more people for the few I listed to play with.

You're speaking with a hot load of CUM in your mouth.

You're like a student who refuses to believe the world is round. The fact is that above statement is true.

I believe the right way to develop the community is a 2 stage process.

1st you have to foster a persons interest, show them the basics, teach them.

Once you have a group thats playing with the basics the 2nd step is to have the better players hand pick those you think have potential and you have to give them a goal. Like learn to apply ARE and EDTEG and use these techniques to beat this person.

I do this all the time at CTF. I go fix the machine. I watch those who are playing and go beyond the basics and I give them a goal. Like I told alphaflex he needs to learn to use some defensive technique and be able to beat Sal. Since Sal has strong fundamentals of how to play once he can go toe to toe with sal then he is ready to train with our group.

I'm sure it's the same with any sport; you hand pick those you believe have the most potential.

The problem with this community is you stop at the 1st step You don't give them a goal, instead the game becomes about playing for fun.

Thats all fine, but what about the few that can benefit from the NYC philosophy of playing to win, playing to be #1, caring how good you are compared to others of the same or stronger strength?

This community discourages the ourward attitude I have and the few that share some of my sentiments are too afraid to voice their opinions. You band together against Ryans attitude filled posts or Shous commentary about players or Shangs flaming. The few that have potential eventually join the politically correct community you've built and end up with no clear goal other than play for fun.

VF isn't masturbation where you play by yourself. You need competition to keep going AND to get better.

You need to get your head out of your ass and realize that the community needs to embrace the idiocy of newbieness that I encouraged in the original B1 and IMF. You need to have the BRING IT ON attitude found in all the other competative gaming communities.

Playing to win and discussing your performance (Bragging, Flaming, Rivalry etc.) is a part of building a community. RYAN U HEARING ME? /versus/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lets get people to step 2 with some following the rivalries/flaming and some playing for fun but getting better; you can ignore the former by not paying any attention to it. I think its about time to stop babying such a politically correct community. We certainly have the volume of people now.

But maybe I was wrong; maybe my philosophy didn't work. I mean the entire community embraced B1 and IMF and told them they didn't need NYC to be recognized and reinforced that the new gentler pay no attention to his philosophy versions were the new hotness. I haven't made a single self proclaming post or flame in a long while. I watched on the sidelines to see if I was wrong.

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It's ironic how MORE people play VF4 than 3, yet the top players outside NYC have FEWER good players to play with.

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Before you reply spit the CUM out of your mouth first.

 

Fuck Getting Along I Guess

Wowzas ,

Druming up the old hate machine I see. Well, being proably the newest person whose gonna give a shit what goes on in this particular thread, I guess I owe it to myself to say something.

I've been all around the North East playing people since i started playing VF 'seriously'. I've played at least 75 - 80% of the serious players in the NE. Truth is, NYC is at an advantage over most other places in the US. It has a well known and upkept establishment (CTF) with a huge density of players who come and practice there frequently.

Now I'd say there are about 15 - 25 regulars in NY area and only a very small handful of top notch players. With those type of statistics its no surprise that the total for top notch players in the US is under 15. So what makes VF in the US ? All those other players low - mid and even real good players who dont play competitively are what make the US 'scene'.

BUT. I agree when it comes to becoming better at VF and actually punking around some Japanese players it really comes down to competition and a need to be better than the rest aka rivalry to become better. Rivalry makes you progress faster and stronger.

NYC is indeed enviable. Not because there are great players but because there is an actual scene here. I wonder how long some of the NYC people would have lasted without the CTF or other public establishment to visit and play at. I wonder how long long G-Shun, A-Yuki, Rod, etc etc would have played if they lived in kentucky or some place like that. There is no need to rub it in the face of others when good players disappear from other regions of the US, none at all.

What am I getting at. It doesn't surprise me when I see people quit vf due to lack of competition. It happens all the time. Its one of the game's downfalls. So indeed props are to be given to those who have endured . For new people like me who are serious about playing vf its always a treat to play against good quality players which is why A-Yuki is deservant of props for keeping the flow of japanese players and good competition coming to NY , because I don't see it happening anywhere else. Its a simple fact., that NY is a hub for good vf'ers but all this self praise needs to be kept to... ones self.

 

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This is where it's at. The day I stop playing a game for fun will be the day I quit. It's not like you're getting paid (work) for playing the game so why would you otherwise play if not for other motivating factors? These motivating factors of playing a game when not having fun with it is something that you probably rank positive but I (and probably others along with me) wouldn't but think it's sad. And that's probably alot of where the root of the problem is - that view.

P.S; You're not tough for writing 'cum' in capitalized letters.

/KiwE

 

U know Andy, this post is prolly the first time I ever directed any...'flame' against the NYC guys..seeing how I am always tight with Sal n Adam, but then again, as I am typing this now..I realised...


It's not Sal or Adam or NYC that I am about to flame in general. It's YOU ANDY.

And the whole reason I felt compelled to reply is because of 3 simple letters.

CUM

Do u seriously feel ' OMFG I FEEL GREAT AFTER TYPING CUM IN CAP! I PUT SOMEONE DOWN! SCORE ONE FOR CREWTW!!!!!!!!'

If not, did u have to insult someone's gender just to prove ur ' point'?

Do u seriously think that for a split second, ur newest stunt is gonna help ppl change their mind n decide ' OMG CREW IS RIGHT!'?

This has nothing to do with Shang, Shou, Maddy that u so easily n ' indirectly' used them to back up ur supposedly ' point of view'.

To anyone else, do not for a single, think that Andy is criticizing ur lvl of VF.

In his honest opinion, he is simply, BETTER or HOTTER, or LEETER or something else.

Well, that's fine and dandy.

Unfortunately, once again..it becomes a ' NYC this, NYC that, NYC also this, NYC also that' song.

I even have the lyrics up in my head. Anyway want a print out?


When I first saw this thread, I conviniently msged Shou n said ' wow! VFDC finally has some drama! I can feel the good old days! '

Both of us had quite a good laugh about the whole thing.

I mean, hey..as long as I am not involved..and it's entertaining..go figure!

Playing to win is perfectly fine. I know many ppl in my life that play to win.

Playing for fun is also perfectly normal. I happen to know MORE people in this category.

Your idea of giving new players 'goals' is certainly...funny to say the least. What sort of goals do you set FOR THEM?

This reminds me of the situation we're facing in SG atm.

Our numbers are down. Ice is always MIA due to work. I am always MIA due to work. Others have up n quit the game.

Myself and Danny are 'recruiting' like yourself.
The difference is, as serious as Danny and myself are abt the game, we realise, at the end of the day, it is up to the individual.

You can teach the new guy all the tricks in the world.
But it's their fighting theory that matters the most.
Knowing you, it's highly plausible that you don't get it when I mention 'fighting theory'.

Incidentally, did you happen to know that players in Asia usually judge how good a gamer is based on their fighting theory? Not by the amount of wins etc etc etc .


You mention that you give props to people who stuck with the game despite all odds.

Then it's funny that in ur honorable list of players, you missed out on the person that deserves to be in it more so than anyone else.

Hailing from a city where there is no one else but himself , with his closest competitor being 3 hrs away...but hey, eric n chris have up n quit the game..so he's back to himself. Yet, he is still around here.

Remember Rich a.ka GHOSTdog? oh. he's among the etc etc list?

Or was it because he wasn't good enough to make YOUR list?

Your problem is,

You judged when you do not have the right to.


anyway, after all that is said, I still love you.

 

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CUM CUM CUM

im gonna go watch some hentai

 

Just off the top of my head, we have how many ppl in the Columbus scene playing VF?

Avi, SeriusFace, Dandy, KTD, Maddy, myself, Sir, Marcel, That tall dude with the dreads (I can't remember his goddamn name), and apparently Raph and someone else plays it, but they've not hung out with us. We've also got Akai who comes down every once in a while to play, and Bloodblaze if he ever comes back up.

That's 11 peeps in columbus, 13 total(that we know of) in Ohio. Sounds like we got a pretty strong scene too. But I guess none of us here really care about waving our dicks around until someone else starts goin on about how great such-and-such is, and how totally screwed everyone else is.

I'm pretty sure Maddy can clear us all out in VF. Actually, I KNOW he can. But I also know that he's fun as hell to play with, and as long as he's got human competition, he's gonna get better, even if it's not Shou, Jerky, or any other big names you've mentioned. I don't know how the scene in NYC is, but here in columbus, yif you wanna know how to beat us, just ask. We tell. That's gotta help somewhere.

 

Mekura hebi ni ojizu

Kuchi wa wazawai no kado