Who is the best Brad player?

I was wondering that who is the best Brad player?
I haven't seen anyone else than Mask du HT so I can't say is he the best.

 

I think Ohsu's Brad is also very good! /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Shinz has an awesome Brad as well.

 

Perfect example of Brad's problem...there aren't really any famous players that focus on him. Mask uses Jacky in tourneys, Ohsu and Shinz are Akira players first and foremost.

 

The haoh rank Brad in the evo disc should be pretty good.

 

Really? I thought Mask uses Brad in a real purpose. Well, he played with Jacky in VF4. Guess he that's way likes him more. It seems like Brad isn't very popular character. /versus/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

The haoh rank Brad in the evo disc is Mask Do Hijitetsu!
I think Mask's Jacky is also in VF4evo, but he has another name.(Mask Do something)

 

I don't think the unpopularity of Brad is surprising. I've tried to get into using him on a number of occasions, but I've never really stuck with him. He seems a bit undeveloped to me, and too much work for little gain.

For starters, his throwing game is pretty lame. A character of his nature should sport a larger number of throws. He's also crying out for more reversals or a least a defensive stance of some sort. Kick-boxing is, after-all, is a very tactical sport full of defending and couter-attacking. VF4 Vanessa was a much more well-rounded Thai combatant if you ask me.

Having said that, the one redeeming feature of Brad is his float potential. He's got some really enjoyable float starters and combos that can do some serious damage. It's just a pitty the rest of his game leaves me cold.

 

I would agree with that from what I've seen so far. He can land really big damage combo's but is a bit lacking in general compared to most of the cast.

His sways could be considered to be like stances, but unlike the other characters with stances he can't threaten your defence from here. From any sway he has no guard brake, no throw and no low so why not stand there block and regain the intiative. When he uses attacks that move him into sway he's also vunerable to interupts if there blocked (he hasn't got time to wait and see if his attack hits and then sway). He doesn't appear to have any anti attack either like many of the characters.

The real test for Brad would be in the long run though as people learn more about how to face him as well as to use him. Chances are he may struggle more as people learn about his weakness's.

 

dunno what it is about brad, but i always think of him only being a secondary character.. the same way as i feel about aoi, mabye it's just me, but i'd get bored sticking with both characters primarily /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

okay okay, back to topic.. it does'nt really matter as much as it should seeing as mask has plenty of movies of his brad to model on, and he DID use it all through the green book beat tribe tourney, and all his replays on the disc are brad. I always think of mask as being primary with both characters, though i must admit that i've seen much more of his brad than his jacky.

 

No offense...you guys don't seem to understand Brad's game. Admittedly, I don't know much either, but at the very least Brad is extremely offensive, has a lot of good strikes/pokes, does have attacks that put him at advantage, and as it has been pointed out, has great damage potential. He has a weaker throwing game by design!

My issue with him is that learning how to play with him seems very context specific as a result of his stances...check out Myke's write-up on Brad for what I mean by this. To me, he doesn't seem like a character one can casually pick up and play competitively (the way one can with Jacky, Pai, Lau, Lion, etc.), in Japan at least.

 

Well, Brad really has many new moves and kickboxing really is tactical martial art but he really do is good. You can change your tactic in the middle of match just changing his slipping side. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif Vanessa is also good and I play with her but I prefer Brad. He is just good. Many guys thinks that Brad is cheap and easy-handle guy just because CPU (this might be someone's opinion. I don't say that this is all's opinion) uses such stupid tactic.

I like Brad's style to make a lot of collapses. You can make many staggers on that way. /versus/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

Thank you for all your answers!

I was wondering that why all Jacky player's uses also Brad? /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

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ice-9 said:

No offense...you guys don't seem to understand Brad's game. Admittedly, I don't know much either, but at the very least Brad is extremely offensive, has a lot of good strikes/pokes, does have attacks that put him at advantage, and as it has been pointed out, has great damage potential. He has a weaker throwing game by design!

My issue with him is that learning how to play with him seems very context specific as a result of his stances...check out Myke's write-up on Brad for what I mean by this. To me, he doesn't seem like a character one can casually pick up and play competitively (the way one can with Jacky, Pai, Lau, Lion, etc.), in Japan at least.

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Most of the characters require the player to watch stances if you plan to utilise some moves effectively. eg, Lau's + can beat certain moves even when Lau is at a disadvantage, but you must know what the moves are and what stance to use it. Same thing for Lau's + and Pai's . I dont see how Brad can have a steeper learning curve than others, unless you argue that one can play other characters effectively without watching stances.

I've come to the conclusion that Brad is simply a weakling compared to the other characters, after reading other players' opinions(mainly Japanese) and playing him quite a bit.

First off, he has no real low attack other than his low punch(which is special low), any high attack will beat his low kick or crescent during their execution. He is the ONLY character with this problem.

Secondly, most of his attacks have either no range or are too slow.

Thirdly, all his floaters are slow, and the faster ones require a counter-hit to float. Since his combos really dont do a lot more damage than most other characters' air combos, plus you'd have to be retarded to be hit by or , I cant see why he would have an advantage over other characters in this aspect(damage potential).

Fourthly, his throw game is the worst in the game. You dont even need to know DTEG or EDTEG to beat him. None of his throws do good damage anyway.

Fifth, his crescents suck in comparison to say Jacky's or Van's. Its slow and counterable. I'd expect something thats slow to be uncounterable or fast but counterable. Brad's is simply junk.

For the record, I've never seen an impressive Brad. Even when played by Ohsu, Brad still looks average to me. Btw, I've heard rumours that Brad(and Goh) will be seriously powered up in Ver.C. We'll see.

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Just like to add that Brad is the most "comboable" character if we exclude the girls.

 

Myke isn't sway into throw very risky? He doesn't actually have a throw from sway, so you have to wait until the sway has ended before you can throw and during that time he can be hit, and you can't cancel a sway unless you sway in another direction can you? That doesn't seem to help it just increases the time you have your guard down? I still can't see how sway threatens the opponents defence. Another thing is that unless he goes into sway with the advantage he can always be interupted since unlike other stance characters he has no way of deterring a quick interrupt.

The catch throw also seems to be the easiest thing to struggle out of in the game.

 

I'll just quickly clarify(and rebutt) a few points.

1. A good low attack is a bonus for any character.
Well, all I'm asking for is a "true" low attack that cannot be interrupted by a high attack during its execution. I'm not asking for Kage's or Akira's . Its a fact that Brad is the only character without a low attack in this game. "True" low attacks are essential when your opponent is spamming attacks like Akira's or Lau's upkn. I dont think its a bonus, its essential IMO.

2. No range or speed.
His punch, elbow, sidekick, etc... all have less range than most other characters. Sarah's punch has about the same range as Brad's, but its 11f.

3. Combo starters are crappy.
+ is nice, but its high. You cant use that in a nitaku situation can you? +, is not bad, but its 16f, has no range and is counterable. Other than , the only attacks that have decent range must come from his stances, and that sucks.

4. His throws are weak.
throw does 35pts dmg.
does 45 dmg.
does 40 pts.
does 55 pts.

So, his strongest throw does only 55pts, and the rest does crap damage. has good damage potential, but still nothing is guaranteed after the QR.

Myke, I dont know what you meant by Brad is not a throwing character. Throw/strikes guessing games is the most effective way to inflict damage on your opponent. When your throws do little damage, you are at a disadvantage, theres no other way around this.

5. Crescents suck
I dont think anybody should focus their game around crescents either, but its a fact that Brad's suck(relative to most other characters).

So, what should Brad players focus on if everything sucks? His stance attacks? His stance attacks are great I agree, but none of the attacks that lead to his stances give Brad an advantage on block. A low punch would stuff everything.

All in all, I dont see anything unique about Brad that would give him an advantage in any situation/matchup, thats why I think he sucks. Of course, thats just my opinion, Im not telling all the Brad players to quit playing Brad. /versus/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

 

I play Brad, and im new to VF, but having played most of the other characters, hes the only one i could win with. His style is best for my abilities. Though he cant mix it up worth shit. high high high high high high high, umm, low? well there are some meds in there, but hes seriously lacking lows, or im seriously lacking ability /versus/images/graemlins/smile.gif