Bah! That's exactly what we did. Take a look at http://www.rumblecity.net . There was once a link there to Rumble's replacement. Now it was replaced by "Shame to those that betray that spirit." Yes, shame to those who betray the spirit indeed. Shame on you, Ice. That message was most obviously directed and Tendo City and me for running it. By accusing me and abstractica of shaming and betraying the spirit of the cities, and by effectively stopping any uninformed nurb members from coming to the new boards, there is only one man who has betrayed our spirit. That man is Jeffrey Yuwono. If you don't want us in your house, fine. Don't stop us from being in our own.