Why Would Anyone Pull Anyway?

I was thinking about it, and what is the point for a player to "pull" in a ranked match to avoid taking a loss?
I don't think anyone who consistently pulls feels a "true" since of accomplishment by viewing their statistics. I know that if I was a "puller", I would feel guilty everytime I viewed my win/loss ratio. I don't believe that I would feel a genuine since of accomplishment.
Let me give an example. A person competes in the Olympics, and manages to earn a gold medal. The person then hangs the medal in their living room. This medal is a sympol of the said person's hard work and success, and fills the person with a since of accomplishment every time they view it. Now let's say a different person steals a gold medal and then hangs it in their living room. Now, this medal may look impressive to other people, but every time the person who stole it views it- there is no since of accomplishment.
So for VF, (and this applies to all other games as well) the true "medal" you get is your own personal satisfaction with your gameplay. I can't really see why "pulling" would allow anyone to feel better about their game.
Also, although video games are often competitive, they are meant for fun. Getting stressed out about your win/loss ratio, pulling, getting pissed at strangers on XBL,etc- doesn't sound fun to me. Just putting my 2 cents in.

 

A lot of pullers have their own set of rules in their mind on how the game is supposed to be played. If you don't follow these rules they made up, they think they have a right to pull on you. One example might be if you spam a move over and over. They think it's cheap so they pull. Or they may pull if they think the match was laggy and they are losing because of it. Other people pull probably just to be jerks and they do it just to avoid the losses. Regardless of the reason, I don't think there's ever a reason to pull well into the game. Pull on the first round maybe if you can't stand the lag, but anything after that and you are just pulling cause you are a sore loser and afraid to take a loss.

 

You're right... and I wish everyone thought about it that same way. Sadly, most people that pull are just staring at their xp bar, and hate the thought of deranking, even though their continual losses prove they don't really deserve the rank they have anyway.

It's the difference between people that actually want to get good at the game (you and me), and people that want to pretend they're good at the game, without actually practicing.

 

For as long as I have been playing fighting games, I have had to deal with people's idiotic, made up rules. People got pissed if you threw them, chip damaged them, used a certain character, and a hundred other reasons. I think one of my favorites was a long time ago when the original SFII came out. I was playing Guile and the other guy had Ken. As soon as the match would start, without fail, he would try to walk right up in my face. And every time, I had a charged flash kick waiting for him. Finally he pipes up "Man, is that all you can do?" I said "Do you mean win? Yeah, pretty much." Shortly after I came up with one of my undeniable truths of fighting games:

"If your opponent continuously does the same move, but you are winning, then you are seeing all he can do. If your opponent continuously does the same move, but you are losing, then you are seeing all he needs to do."

And so it goes until the sun explodes

 

I couldn't agree more with the above quote. Usually, I try my best to use a wide variety of moves when playing. However, if am playing an in-experienced player, or button masher- I find it best to use simple low risk moves. (moves and patterns that I would never dream of attempting on equal or higher skilled players) The reason being: an inexperienced player doesn't really play or respond to head games. Sometimes in-experienced players get themselves out of set-ups without realizing what they did. Also, since these players don't play with a "game plan", they are a lot less easy to predict. So I use low risk moves. Whenever the other person steps up their game by avoiding my tactics, then I step up my game as well.

Of course, by low risk moves I mean quick, tricky combos and sweeps, not low punch spamming. But even though I don't LP spam- I don't pull or complain about people that do. If I lose to a LP spammer (which has happened more than once!!) I am more angry with myself for not overcoming the simple tactic. (why would I pull on someone who beat me fair and square, even though it was a little cheesy)

 

yeah, you're practically forced to use low risk moves and sabakis against a lot of people.

 

they pull because of frustration, unless youre jjcha who just stops playing and lets you win. lol.

 

Here's a confession; I pulled once. It was slow mo laggy. I won the first match and then before the 2nd round started I dc'ed. It was against someone I was friendly with so I did not think he would possibly care. It was actualy a pain in the ass to dc and then reconnect. It was so annoying that I really wonder why anyone would bother with it.

 

Its also possible that they don't pull, and simply shut off their 360 in frustration. Either way, they are lame.

 

Yeah, I guess I stopped playing against machi players years ago. Guess I rather take the loss than go through the brain damage.

Best,

-Jason

 

Machi is a bitch and prevalent in VF but eh. I can't say I haven't cursed out a machi player or two in my time because I have. I despise the play style but eh "there you go." Beating them is rewarding but at the end of the day you feel dirty.

 

I think that's about right... we've gone through the arguments about playing defensively so many times over the years so there's no point in it. If people play that way, that's cool, I have no problem with that. Actually, there are quite a few good players who play defensively.

I guess all I'll say is that for me, a fairly mediocre intermediate player, I find it frustrating playing against people who play that way, and choose not to do so. I definitely enjoy playing whether I win or lose to people who aren't machi, but feel no joy playing machi players whether I win or lose. But I play for "fun" and and not to "win" so I guess I'm not that hardcore...

Best,

-Jason

 

.... what exactly does "machi" mean?

 

"machi" is the Japanese word for "wait." A machi player is basically a turtle.

 

"Why would anyone pull away?"

I don't understand people who pull consistently. It really makes no sense. Why would anyone pull all the time and neglect the +1 battle points tally? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif On the long run, since disconnecting and reconnecting takes MORE TIME than simply losing the match and playing another one, they are missing out on raking battle points. Disconnect 3 times = zero battle points, lose 4 games = 4 battle points. That just doesn't make sense!

What *would* make sense is for them to disconnect only if there's a fear of being demoted. Only it doesn't happen. Somebody even disconnected on me an a ranking match for ME, i mean, that's just MEAN /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif

Playing somebody 2 dans lower or higher only to see him disconnect after a sesaw 2-3 game makes no sense at all, i simply don't get it /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbs_down.gif

 

Is there a golden prize for having a higher rank? Or is this just some fucking imaginary world where you in your head having "master" next to your name makes you better than everyone else. Battle points mainly mean you play the game more than everyone else.

Shit I have like 400 games total and whore people that have like 2-3 times more games than I do. Stop pulling fags accept your losses and learn from them. If you have to pull you didn't earn that shit anyway.

 

jjcha, you should learn to beat the machi. When you learn to beat them, then you will be ready to be king.

 

Shane Bettenhausen is a machi.

 

I guess people use machi because it's shorter than turtle. Saves a whole .2 seconds of time eh?

 

I don't understand why people mind machi players? Have you even tried playing that way yourselves... it's so much harder than playing abare for the most part. Blocking too much tends to mean you're going to get thrown, or screw up, and forget your opponent's attack options, and get chipped to death by that mid that you thought was a low. Back-dashing is a little less obvious, but you're still basically leaving yourself open to the stand mid/throw nitaku as soon as your opponent dashes in.

You guys really need to wise up and start paying attention to your opponents, and figure out what's wrong with your play that they can afford to use that style against you, instead of running away as soon as you see machi tactics.