Wolf VF5FS Version A Change Log

very nacceee

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...;hl=en_US#gid=1

FS and sorta updated Revision A frame data. I'll look at the rest of it tomorrow.

 

Akai, thanks for those translations and corrections. I should have realised that it was Avalanche DDT, as that's what the Japanese call all their turnbuckle throws in wrestling.

As for the three ? moves, I'm not sure if I can help too much, but these are my guesses.

24 may be "Knuckle Palm", as it looks like a quick palm strike with his fingers bent at the knuckles (it appears in the below video at about 2:30, but it's obscured by the height indicator).

For 46, I have no idea what "Mouzu" is, but "Mozu" is a bird, known as a Shrike from the Laniidae family, derived from the Latin word "Lanius", which means butcher, so Shrikes are referred to as "Butcher Birds". If I was to guess, I'd say the name of this one was "Downwards Butcher Chop".

38 however, I know what the move looks like (it's a kneeling upwards palm swing), but I can't make sense of the name or think of anything.

 

Which moves of wolf were removed after ver.c?

 

I'll do a list at some point in the next day or so.

 

Okay, it's a bit late, but here are the moves of Wolf's that have changed or have gone from Ver. C to FS A.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Attacks
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Elbow Smash PP6P Gone
Combo Elbow Butt PP6P4P Gone
Clothesline 466P Replaced with High Lariat
Shoulder Attack 46P Replaced by Quick Shoulder
Shoulder Attack (max charge) 46P Gone
Arrow Knuckle 3P Has a new animation
Elbow Rush 1 16P Gone
Elbow Rush 2 16PP Gone
Elbow Rush 3 16PPP Gone
Standing Low Kick 2K Replaced with Low Smash)
Low Smash 1K/K Now 2K
Dragon Knuckle 6P+K Replaced with ???
Dragon Knuckle Combo 6P+KP Gone
Dragon Chop 6P+KPP Gone
Quick Shoulder 66P+K Now 46P, Replaced with
Push Away
Ogre Chop 461236P+K Gone
Burning Hammer 461236P+K, P+G Gone, now 2486P+G/8426P+G
throw
Burning Driver 461236P+K, P+G Gone, now 2486P+G/8426P+G
throw
Grizzly Lariat 3P+K Replaced by Swing Upper
Tornado Sobat 66K+G Replaced with Jumping Knee
Toe Kick Stunner 6K+G, P+G Replaced with Front Face
Lock (from front), Back
Stunner is still there.
Front Roll Kick 46K+G Gone
Thrust Kick 3K+G Replaced by Heavy Side Kick
Flying Zero 9K+G Gone
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Defensive Move
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Side Step Catch DMP+K Gone
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Offensive Move
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Body Blow OM P Gone
Dynamic Kick OM K Gone
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R.A.W
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R.A.W P+K+G Replaced with R.A.W Avenger
Knuckle Arrow R.A.W. P Gone
R.A.W~Level Back Chop R.A.W. P+K Gone
R.A.W~Low Drop Kick R.A.W. K Gone
R.A.W~R.A.W. R.A.W. P+K+G Gone
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Jump Attacks
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Step Hammer (asc) P Replaced with Jumping
Knuckle
Rock Punch (mid) P Replaced by Jumping Elbow
Toe Crush (asc) K Replaced by Jumping Push
Kick
Toe Crush (mid) K Replaced by Low Drop Kick
Hammer Edge (desc) K Gone
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Down Attacks
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Guillotine Drop (down) 8K Has a new animation
Front Roll Kick (down) 46K+G Gone
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Reversals
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Captured (vs HK/MK) 4P+K Now 4+P+G from Leg Hold,
Replaced by Backfist
Dragon Screw (vs SK) 1P+K Now 6+P+G from Leg Hold,
Replaced by ???
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Throws
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Face Crush Chop P+G Replaced by Swinging
Neckbreaker
Turbo Drop 3rd 63214P+G Replaced with
Hellevator/Ascension
DDT 4P+G Now P+G from Front Face
Lock, replaced with
Exploder
Smackdown Bottom 43P+G Gone
Snap Meyer 3P+G Replaced by Tiger Buster
low throw.
Soccer Ball Kick 3P+G, 46K Gone
Jack Hammer 33P+G Now 6+P+G from Front Face
Lock, replaced by Tiger
Frosion low throw
Swing Through 1P+G Now 4+P+G from Catch
KS 2486P+G/8426P+G Replaced by Burning Hammer
Catch 6P+G Now 46P+G, replaced by
Spinebuster
Kevlar Dora Slam Catch P+G Replaced by Push
Push Catch P+G Now done with Catch P+G
Schwein Catch 1P+G Gone
Spiral Bomb Catch 4P+G Replaced by Swing Through
One & Only Change P+G Replaced by Push
Push Change 6P+G Now done with Change P+G
Calf Branding Change 3P+G Now done with Change 6P+G
Frankensteiner 9P+K Replaced by Standing
Shining Wizard
Wall Body Slam (wall) 3P+G Now (wall) 64P+G
Shotgun Chop (wall) 43P+G Now (wall) 6P+G
Exploider (right) P+G Now front 4P+G
Elimination Slam (left) P+G Now both sides P+G
Dragon Suplex (back) 4P+G Gone
Side Suplex (crouch) 2P+K+G Gone
Vertical Tiger Driver (crouch) 3P+K+G Gone
Big Bridge Hammer (crouch) 33P+K+G Now (Deadly Move crouch)
2P+G
Double Arm Suplex (crouch) 1P+K+G Now (crouch) 1P+G
Pedigree (crouch) 11P+K+G Gone
Cross Arm Breaker (side crouch) 1/2/3P+K+G Gone
German Suplex (back crouch) 2P+K+G Now (back crouch) 2P+G
Combo Double Arm Suplex PP6P1P+K+G Gone
RAW~Catch R.A.W. P+G Now automatic (R.A.W.
Avenger)</pre></div></div>

 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Code:</div><div class="ubbcode-body ubbcode-pre" ><pre>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reversals
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Dragon Screw (vs SK) 1P+K Now 6+P+G from Leg Hold,
Replaced by ???
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</pre></div></div>
Because I can't edit my last post, I spotted a mistake with the changes list. It's + and not +.

 

Akai, I asked Alex to find the names of the missing Wolf moves that we didn't have, since he had access to it at SS. Here's what he said they were. I'll update my spreadsheet when I get home tonight.

1PP - Comet Hook, Knuckle Part
6P+K - Gasp Kneel Palm Bomb
1P+K - Mow Down Chop

 

What does execution mean for throws? In Ash_kaiser's list I see burning hammer at 16, giant swing at 10, spinebuster at 9, exploder at "-", diamond cutter at 21.

Does this mean that spinebuster comes out very fast (9) frames, while diamond cutter is super slow to come out (21)? And why do some throws have "-"?

Any clarification much appreciated.

 

You're correct, it's how fast the throws are.

"-" I assume means "don't know" but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I'm confused though. Low sway tackle is listed as 40 frames? That seems insanely slow. It shows 6 "active frames", which is much longer than any other throw... what does that mean?

 

Don't you think 44P+G is a slow throw? Probably the slowest in FS.

 

It's a catch throw that's why.

it's slower, but on the other hand you can't throw escape it.

Also, active frames is the "hit phase" so the more frames the better chance it can land.

 

All normal throws except where specified are 10f (as opposed to 12f in vanilla) execution (which is what the "-" means) and have the default throw startup animation before the move actually comes out. There are exceptions to this though - for example, F5, GS and Burning Hammer have similar startup animations to F5, GS and KS in vanilla, although Burning Hammer is slower.

Catch throws all have different startup animations which explain the different execution frames, but have properties that normal throws don't, like being inescapable and being able to beat strikes that are coming out.

The animation for Low Sway Tackle is the same as in vanilla. If you watch, he rears back before running at them. The 40f execution sounds about right.

 

2 things, first of all it's 12f in vanilla!!

Second of all can you clarify on your second point on catch throws: "being able to beat strikes that are coming out"?

I'm not sure what is meant by that because in vanilla at least I can interrupt Jeffry's catch throw with a for example. Or did you mean before the active frames of a strike?