workin on the side

ok so, does anyone know any other moves that keep the opponent in the side turned state? and what exactly are the properties on the side turned state? is it like gaurenteed hit? or do u gotta press block twice? or what? it seems really deadly in a fight, but im not exactly sure WHY its deadly...

so, so far as i can tell, the only move that puts people INTO a side turned state is back turned kg
anyone know any others?

for moves that keep side turned state all ive found were hai p pk and neutral 66p

you do get funny animations for 66pk, and other half circulars, whats up with that? they have special properties? does that mean theyre at some sort of huge disadvantage? can they block like that? whats the dealio?

are there other moves that cause side crumples on normal hit besides 466pk? i havent found any...
so far as i can tell on counter hit, om k's will do it... as will 6pk. others?

i think we could all benefit from learning more about workin from the side...

 

yeah i just read that... but that basically just says frame disadvantage of 3 right?
is that all there is to it?

 

6p p+k+g and then the k+g move, that turns them to sideturned state also.

also i think regular doku p will cause side crumple on normal hit, but in 4500 matches i've only hit someone's side with it like twice.

 

If you're about 40 degrees or under from being parallel to a wall with the wall generally being at your opponent's side, you can get a side crumple going from performing either a normal wall hit or a side-wall stagger. and then using 466p+k or doku p. If your opponent contacts the wall in those ways they're technically side-turned.