WORST 5 or 10 Jacky moves?

My list is not exhaustive, but in my opinion a few moves I think are mostly worthless:

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif - I use it sometimes if I think someone will low kick after getting up, but it whiffs over a lot of characters heads

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

from slide shuffle /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif - Seems to be mostly for show if you can pull off the throw, but who can do that often enough to try this move? not me

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif - Advantage over /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif?

Any others?

 

MANY clear advantages.

First off, if the FIRST move in the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif string counter hits, the entire string is guaranteed including the knockdown. The third hit in/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is never guaranteed unless it counterhits on it's own (maybe on second hit, never bothered to test since I don't know if it's possible to get counterhit with the second one since the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is jail on block, maybe if someone ducks jab and attack, dunno...anyway...).

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif also combos on recovery counterhit, so it is Jackys best 14 frame punisher on standing opponents, although since you can tech roll face down slams in VF5 you can also use /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif for a bit more damage.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif (or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ) is actually one of Jacky's top ten BEST moves, easily.

 

Ages since I've played so maybe I'm wrong but /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif is godly for punishing some stuff. Gets a knockdown that setups for nasty Oki options too.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is great against some character's getup options. Leads to good damage on counterhit. But is tough to time. Nice for stopping some slow steps too.

And was too slow on the post lol. Jeneric covered it.

 

Do you just test all this stuff on your own?

And the charge up for /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif - If it is blocked it never seems like I have that much of an advantage. Same with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/b.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

When to use?
I have neither the time nor the patience to test all this shit on my own lol

Actually I do have the time. Just not the patience

 

Also could anyone post their opinion of the worst moves?

 

The only "useless" move I can think of is /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif, not much good with that one. Maybe if you have a guaranteed jab and the opponent is so low on life that a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif will kill him but a /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif might not.

 

so what do you use ->K for?

 

and slide shuffle DF K

and DF P+K

and ^ K+G

 

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is easy mode launcher, not much reason to do it instead of /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, but still, it's a launcher so not useless.

Slide Shuffle /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is fun for flash and has different timing then SS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif so mixing it up also with SS /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif throw can mess up your opponents defensive timing a bit. Don't know why you have trouble doing the throw, I find it quite easy, remember that you can always input the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif regardless if the move hits or was blocked.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is very useful since it does good damage on both standing and crouching opponents (you won't get that with /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif or /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif ). It also has a bit better range then you'd expect.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/u.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif+/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif is a mid that jumps over lows and tracks to one direction so it also has it's uses. On counterhit you can sometimes get big damage combo off it as well.

 

I think a move can be considered useless if it is inferior to another move, otherwise why use it?

And having a move good for "flash" isnt really justifying its existence. If you are having a tough fight there is no reason you would you use it or any other "flash" move

 

How can you say its easy? I think any thing where you have to input during contact is hard, unless you are just hitting it repeatedly. Although I dont use a joystick

 

It requires special timing, but it's not very strict.

A curious question, why did you do this topic? Usually someone who wants to learn a character asks which moves that are really useful, I find it a bit backwards to try to dismiss moves first.

 

Because there was already a best moves and I was just curious if you all thought that some moves werent worth doing.

 

i'm not really sure if you can say that any of jacky's moves are inherently "bad"; some are just more situational than others.

maybe the lightning kick series and PPP, but that's all i can think of that i haven't found a use for.

 

i actually use that lightning kick series after the /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/d.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif counter uppercut against lighter characters.

 

its good to know that most every move has a purpose. do you ever use the stance change /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif

 

SS df,df+K+G is a better choise against characters who have good weapons against MP's but not SK's which is pretty usual (only Wolf comes to mind immediately with SK reversal and nothing on MP).

I'm not completely sure but I'd think it also has better range than SS df,df+P.

And the hit-throw is not hard to time. The timing for hit-throws and "during hit" inputs is very lax in VF. That being said there are some exceptions like Jackys Iaigeri and Kages b+K+G:b+P+G but their not real just frames either.

PS. Could you please put everything you have to say at a time in the same message or edit it in there instead of doing one sentence posts between 2 minutes.

 

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/p.gifis about the only string I dont think worth doing ever.

 

Despite /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/f.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif being a launcher I would say it's pretty useless. This move usually always comes out by accident and to get a counter hit usually takes a lot of luck. Slide shuffle /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif is definitely not useless its great to use for oki and the mid Kick has a bit of range and its non punishable on block. However his /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/df.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/k.gif + /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/g.gif from shuffle I would argue is pretty useless

 

Yeah but it looks cool when you KO'ed your opponent /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif