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Yakuza 4 is Here, Sega, what gives?

Discussion in 'General' started by masterpo, Apr 1, 2011.

  1. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    lastmonk
    I just got my copy of Yakuza 4, and its totally awesome. I was captivated by Yakuza 2 and 3, and 4 is looking even better.

    But here's my problem Yakuza 3 sold considerably less than
    Virtua Fighter 5 in North America [​IMG]


    And Yakuza 3 was released in North America last year some time, and here it is a year later and we get Yakuza 4 (I'm greatful Sega Thank you) [​IMG]

    But clearly the Yakuza series is more esoteric[/size] in North America than the Virtua Fighter series right? (or am I wrong?) [​IMG]

    If Sega can give us the next installment for Yakuza, which required far more localization than VF ever would, the Cut Scenes alone in Yakuza 4 probably cost more than the VF5FS port would, How come Sega can't give us the next installment of VF?

    Really... If its all about sales, then VF5 out sold Yakuza 3 [​IMG]
    So How come North America gets Yakuza 4 within a year, and 5 years go by and no new Virtua Fighter [​IMG] Sega what up wit dat?
     
  2. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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    Doesn't Yakuza sell more in Japan than VF? Anyway, Po please take a look at the lifetime totals of each game.
     
  3. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    Yep, the Yakuza series sells shitloads in Japan.

    With Yakuza's US and EU release, the only cost is for the translation and distribution. The game is already designed for the PS3 so it's not like they have to spend a hefty amount porting it.
     
  4. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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    Po, why do you do this to yourself? those links work against what you're saying.

    According to them, Yakuza 3 has apparently sold near twice VF5 on the PS3 and overtook VF5's lifetime total in it's first 10 weeks in combined worldwide sales. It's also ranked 4th in the "same genre and platform chart. VF isn't in the top 15 [​IMG]

    Calm it down with the links bro.
     
  5. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    lastmonk

    I'm not posting about how much it sold in EU or in Japan, my comparison was trying to contrast Yakuza 3 sales in North America compared to Virtua Fighter5 sales in North America

    And if Sega can bring Yakuza 4 we should be able to get VF5R or VF5FS

    c'mon guys, this is an easy one [​IMG]
     
  6. Feck

    Feck Well-Known Member Content Manager Akira

    No, it is not.
     
  7. noodalls

    noodalls Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter

    How's the Yakuza arcade version going?
     
  8. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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  9. MAtteoJHDY

    MAtteoJHDY Well-Known Member

    IMO

    I think consumers understand well the difference between Yakuza 3 , 4 and 'the end', in a way that they would not undertand the difference between VF5, VF5R and VF5FS rev.1.

    Yakuza games maybe have been selling better of late, but I remember Y2 selling poorly. I am glad they making Yakuza games, especially because it shows that Sega can do well with its own formulas.

    As usual, its becoming a bit repetitive, but IMO Sega will not sell many copies of FS if its released full price on a disk, no matter what. Its too similar to VF5. the only way they can possibly not lose a stupid amount of money is to release it on XBLA.

    will they? no point in asking anymore.
     
  10. Richkwondo

    Richkwondo Well-Known Member



    They can sell more copies of Vf5FS if they put Kratos in the game.

    As far as Yakuza 4, Im on the part with the corrupt cop (Masa). Anyway, I'm doing the IF7 machine to power Masa up. The question is, If I had done IF7 with Shun Akiyama and Saejima, would Masa have been able to fight their bosses?
     
  11. Tiripsem

    Tiripsem Well-Known Member

    Please, just... no. In all honesty it probably would give popularity to the game when appealing to the west but what's Kratos without his weapons? Random fighting?
     
  12. Shadowdean

    Shadowdean Well-Known Member

    It is all random fighting.
    What I want to know is why isn't this game on xbox?
     
  13. Tiripsem

    Tiripsem Well-Known Member

    Every character in VF has a specific fighting style so it actually isn't random fighting or something like street fighting *cough Lili cough*.
     
  14. Shadowdean

    Shadowdean Well-Known Member

    I think you misread - in almost all these types of games there is a bunch of random fighting. I didn't say random set of moves...
     
  15. Tiripsem

    Tiripsem Well-Known Member

    Oh, sorry bout' that ^_^'.
     
  16. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    @MarlyJay in North America Yakuza 3 159,000 life time
    VF5 284,000 life time

    took the links down because people didn't read first that I was only concerned about North America Sales.

    @Noodles, fair enough, Yakuza does not have a arcade version that would suffer when consoles are released.

    But couldn't Sega just keep the console version a release or two behind the arcade version? Why not give us VF5R since the arcades are now at FS?

    The losing money on the Arcade version is at least a plausible explanation for why we don't have the latest version
    on the console. But how come Sega didn't at least Patch the PS3 version B to match XBL version C? that has nothing to do with money made or lost at the arcades [​IMG]

    And my point here is that Yakuza series in NA is just as weird to ppl as the Virtua Fighter series is, and I've already seen the trailer for Yakuza 5 and zombies [​IMG] Don't get me wrong, I'm lovin the game, but Yakuza 3, Yakuza 4, and Yakuza 5 in only 4 years, and we only have VF5 and its been 5 years and not so much as an announcement.

    Is Sega really preventing a console version of VF to protect the sales of the arcade version? really? How come Namco doesn't have to do that with Tekken or Soul Calibur?

    C'mon maaaannnn......
     
  17. MarlyJay

    MarlyJay Moderator - 9K'ing for justice. Staff Member Gold Supporter

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    North America =/= The World. Easy, there is your answer. Why would a company that supposedly releases things worldwide look at an overseas region with more importance than their own or worldwide?

    For some strange reason Sega seem to care a lot more about how things are doing in Japan, where they and their investors are based. Weird [​IMG]

    And given that Yakuza 3 did very well in this strange place Sega calls home and VF5 comparatively sold like ass (Over 600K for Yakuza and under 90K for VF5, according to the links you posted then removed), I would think Yakuza would be far higher on their list of priorities.
     
  18. MAtteoJHDY

    MAtteoJHDY Well-Known Member

    Yakuza 3 159K in US? shit thats poor. 90K for VF5 is also poor, but at least you could blame the poor sales on the fact that it was a launch title.

    Sega games seem to be more popular in Japan by far. how are the call of duties selling in Japan?

    EDIT: COD BO ps3 in japan sold 273K, worldwide 9.7 millions...hey maybe they need to step up with advertsing in Japan! what can activistion do to sell COD to the unwilling Japanese customers?

    EDIT 2: stop the press! call of duty black ops 360 sold 30K in Japan!!! dont they know what games they should be playing over there? the rest of the world bought 12 million copies already! 30K?!! who wants to come with me on a mission to make them buy more American games?

    EDIT 3: holy shit Halo reach sold 71K in Japan so far. Hey I have an idea: make Sonic hold a gun so that he will sell as poorly in Japan as he does in US! Oh wait...
     
  19. jinxhand

    jinxhand Well-Known Member

    It normally works the other way around... We get a console release of an arcade fighter with maybe a new stage and/or new character(s), or some sort of bonus (i.e. - balancing, challenge mode, etc)... That's how it worked for the SF series, Tekken, KoF, and a few other series... Doing things the way you mentioned, well-- it happened during Soul Calibur 3 and looked what happened to that...

    I'm surprised Sega hasn't decided to revive one of their older fighter series that they won't put out on the arcades, and just simply make a console version for that to appease the players/fans outside of Japan that aren't gonna get the next VF at all unless they go there to play at an arcade...

    But really, how bad does a console port hurt Japanese arcade sales??? I mean both Tekken 6 and SF4/SSF4 have been on consoles for awhile now, and their arcade sales don't seem to be hurting that bad... Same for the console release I would assume...
     
  20. masterpo

    masterpo VF Martial Artist Bronze Supporter

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    ahem... =/= man., I've got that operator in Prolog [​IMG]

    Hold the bus! So according to the links that I posted and then removed, and then moved here:

    Yakuza 3 Sales

    Virtua Fighter 5 sales


    VF5 only sold 90K in Japan,., W.T.F? If they only sold 90K in Japan, then how could sega possibly consider the console version a threat to the arcade version [​IMG]

    Let me see if I've got this straight [​IMG]

    Okay, they make a Yakuza 3,4,and 5 and localize for North America in about a 4 year span, because Yakuza does well in Japan, but not that good in North America. So although it doesn't sell well in North America, we get versions 3,4,5 because it did good in Japan.

    On the other hand, VF5 sold like crap in Japan, and sold 3 times as well (only counting PS3) in North America, but because
    it had poor sales in Japan and those poor sales competed with the arcade version, therefore don't make a console version for North America where it sold 3 times as much? W.T.F?



    The True Logic behind No Console Release of VF5FS

    Man in Black: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
    Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
    Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
    Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
    Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
    Vizzini: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?
    Man in Black: Australia.
    Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
    Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
    Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
    Man in Black:
    You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
    Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS![/size]
    Man in Black: Then make your choice.
    Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
    Man in Black: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
    Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
    Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
    Man in Black, Vizzini: [Vizzini and the Man in Black drink]
    Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
    Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
    Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]
    Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.
    Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.
     

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