Your thoughts on VF5FS in MLG/Online tourneys too?

A few important people have been asking my input on how I would feel in regards to Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown being in MLG.

Our game has been no stranger to highly sponsored events - but we all know the turn-outs have been sub par in the past...

So what about now? What if we had the chance to get final showdown in MLG? Would we want that?
If so, what would we do to help push & promote this?

We know the 'big bucks' are there, would you sign up? what would you do to get others to sign up?

If you wouldn't want it in MLG, why not?


We as a community have done a gr8 job promoting and glorifying our own game - and we've always asked sega what their next plan would be to keep the game relevant post E3; this may be one of those avenues we can use to further expand our community...

Would you do it? Thoughts?


Also I'd like your input on online tourneys for prizes - you guys know i work for Beyond Gaming and I would LOVE to coordinate something with you guys and so on...

 

Convince them to have me run the vf5fs tournaments and all will be good. lol

 

its possible - but srsly, i need more than just 1 reply!!!

 

I'm not sure if it's just the uneducated fools in the community, but I will say a large part of the FGC kind of hates MLG and "esports" other than fighting games for the most part. So i'm not sure that the MLG would exactly put our game in the good graces of the FGC.

Although honestly I think with support of people like JWong who's been there, it could go somewhere.

Honestly though man, I don't know enough to answer that question with any amount of intelligence. I'd be all for it, but don't know what the positives or minuses of it would be.

 

Ys of course it would be awesome to have VF as a part of MLG. please let me know how I can help!

 

If MLG wants to get behind our game I'm totally up for that, as long as they defer to the rules of the tournament set up to the community. What I have heard are the gripes some FGCs have with MLG is that they screw with the standard rules. At least that's the most I know about it. Other than that I dont' really understand the hate directed toward the esports movement for fighting games.

Online money tournaments are kinda interesting, but I wouldn't want to fight someone if there is more than an extremely good connection. I dont' want to have to adjust the timing for the just frames because of the connection skipping mid money match. If money is just on the table, and it's not a large amount, I'd be more willing to do something like that though. The pot just can't be too big or the rage would be unreal.

Let me know what you need man and I'll help out what I can too! MLG I think has Mortal Kombat, or DOA I forget. This would be good for SEGA and us.

 

There's not enough VF players to make VF work at MLG. I'd rather see a concentration in the FGC- though it means people have to show up and not make this game the next Blazblue.

Ultimately, the FGC can do just fine without MLG, and MLG can do just fine without the FGC- the cultures are just too different.

A major FG tourney these days is a lot closer to an anime con than it is MLG.

 

I'm not feeling FS for my own personal reasons, but I'd get behind this and help if it happens.

 

This is exactly what i wanted for this game! i would absolutely love it if FS became apart of MLG! that would be freakin awesome!
Shidosha if you somehow make this happen, the community will be in your debt!

 

Another long post ahead, but the TL;DR version is: I agree with the bad points by BLACKSTAR, and I don't think VF community will benefit from being at MLG much like the KOF community.

I'm no name in either the SF or the VF community, but I try and keep up with both communities fairly regularly especially when it comes to hot topics like this. One complaint that is fairly common among the SF and KOF players that attended MLGs in Columbus and Anaheim and was talked about by BLACKSTAR was that the event in not tailored for competitors at all. No casual stations, nothing really to do but watch the tournament. I know from being in the same situation myself, if I'm going to travel to a tournament and pay a $50 entrance fee I want to be able to play as much as possible, especially with the top players that are there in attendance. That just doesn't happen at the venue itself, and really would only happen on set ups back at the hotel.

One thing that is missed by having MLG overlap with other tournaments, as well, is that the top players tend to be split among the two events and it really kills some of the excitement as a spectator. I want to see the two best players play, especially if it's a US West/US East or US/Japan rivalry. That won't happen if it's MLG Wisconsin with NYC players and SoCal Regional with mostly LA players happening on the same weekend. And that crossover happens A LOT with MLG events, whether on purpose or not.

Another item about MLG that's not been mentioned that I've seen is that it's a business. They expect more money to be brought in from these communities than the overall prize pools provided. They expect minimum 128 players from their tournaments to help cover all costs of running those tournaments. Can the VF community get enough people to travel to the events 3 or 4 times in a year and get 128 man tournaments? I'm not sure, though I'd like to say yes. I'm not sure even Capcom games could do that given the current way MLG runs its events, however.

Another point not mentioned is the MLG specific rule sets. I don't know if it's as big of a thing for most events with enough people, but it's still a real hype killer. MLG uses a continuation rule where the results of a previous match in the tournament are counted again if you face the same opponent twice. It's a rule that affects all tournaments and no one likes. The rule has already been covered in depth, and I'm sure anyone who has competed at MLG before already knows about it so I won't go into why it's bad. But it's bad, it's not liked and it's not going to change.

The big benefit is really the payout. It seems MLG has adopted a top 8 payout structure and if the companies support the games with prize money that increases the overall pot significantly. Really, the players that can make top 8 have nothing to lose as the prizes should cover quite a bit of the travel costs for the events.

Overall, I think that if the VF community as it is continues to support the large regional events that happen throughout the year, Final Round, ECT, NorCal and SoCal regionals, etc. then the community and prize pools will naturally grow. Capcom players especially like the game because it rewards great reads and fundamentals. Casuals like the game because of dress up and big damage and easy new systems. Being able to play online has helped hype up players like me who don't always have the time to meet up in person and practice, but can set up late night sessions to play others online at the least. Despite some of the dumbing down of the system, the game seems like it's being accepted by a majority of old and new players which is good. I just hope that can continue beyond just Evo and whatever MLG does.

 

Just so I understand the points being made and sythsise it into short segments.

1) MLG tends to schedule events on the same dates as major fighting events. (solution is to just have a discussion about scheduling of events. Kind of a simple problem to fix, especially if we're clear about it from the outset)

2) no casual set ups.

-another issue that can be solved by talking from the outset to MLG about the need for there to be casual set ups for the VF or the event won't be successful.


3) strange rule sets. I don't know what this continuation rule thing is so you're going to have to explain it to me and probably a lot of us if you know about it.


So far nothing said negative about MLG are things that can't be discussed with them from the outset and negotiated. VF players aren't as loud as some of the other fighting game communities so I don't really think not being able to yell random stuff during a match is going to be a big deal. The vf community is similar to the other FGC but it is different in a lot of ways that I think MLG would work for us better than maybe some of the other games. I think if we approach this with a mind-set of negotiation and communicate what we feel needs to be there for MLG to make bank off us, we'll have a good time.

 

"Can the VF community get enough people to travel to the events 3 or 4 times in a year and get 128 man tournaments? I'm not sure, though I'd like to say yes."

Not a snowballs shot in hell.

 

Those three things are easy to fix, and yet.... From Tekken 6 to Smash to KOF13/MK9/SC5. No changes. They even brought in people from the FGC and asked what they can do to make the turnouts bigger, those same topics were mentioned. No change. Starcraft players complain about the lack of set ups and inability to stay in the competitor area when they've paid to be a competitor (after competitors are eliminated, they're supposed to leave the area). No change.

Also, about the scheduling of events part. That hasn't been an isolated incident. It's happened every time MLG has scheduled an event featuring this current crop of fighters. They're booking requirements make it so they need to book 6+ months in advance so they're not going to change. The community events aren't funded enough to go around breaking contracts and rescheduling events so they're not going to change. Again, no change.

I just don't see the benefit from ANY game competing at MLG except for the payouts of the top players. Even then, that only lasts as long as the field is big enough for MLG to make some money back from holding the tournaments.

And to KiwE. I agree, although about VF currently. Maybe a miracle happens and it blows up after Evo. I'm really curious to see how the turnout is for the Sega tournament at Evo and to see how big the pool of players is. I hope it hits the 256 cap.

 

Were VF to be part of the MLG, it would help grow the community big time and also put our beloved fighting game franchise into the spotlight again where it belongs.

 

More i think about the continuation rules more i like this.

Ok it make thing harder for a loser who get sweep in winner.
But if you beat someone 3-0 in winner and lose to him 0-3 in loser, that means nothing. The score should be tied and with the continuation rules it's exactly what happen.

Without the continuation rules you are out. With the continuation rules the score is now 3-3 and for win you have to win 6 so it's like a new set after the tie.

Now yes the loser need to win 6 games to win so it could seem unfair but take a other example.

Imagine you win 3-2 in winner, now the loser just need to win 4 in loser bracket so with this rules, the way you win or lose is really important. It's not just about winning.

Usually after a winner final, if the grand final is a runback,losing 2-3 or losing 0-3 change nothing. You still have to win 2 set of 3 games

With continuaion rules, if you lose 2-3, you have to win 4 games in grand final if you want to be the champion. It's more fair in my opinion that decide to make the loser win 6 games no matter what was his result in the pas matchs

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Match Format
1. All Games will be Best of 5 Rounds.
2. All Matches will be Best of 5 Games unless the Players have already played each other in the Event.
3. If Players are scheduled to play each other for a 2nd time in the Event, their Match will expand to a Best of 11, include the previous Match, and pick up where that Match left off. For example, if Player A beat Player B 3 Games to 0 in the Winners Bracket, the Best of 11 will resume with Game 4 and Player A leading 3 Games to 0.
4. If the Players scheduled to play each other in the Finals have not yet played against each other in the Event, an initial Best of 5 Games Match must be played. If the Player that came from the Winners Bracket wins the initial Match, they will win the Event. If the Player that came from the Losers Bracket wins the initial Match, the Match will expand to a Best of 11, include the initial Match, and pick up where that Match left off. For example, if the Losers Bracket Player beat the Winners Bracket Player 3 Games to 0 in the initial Match, the Best of 11 will resume with Game 4 and the Losers Bracket Player leading 3 Games to 0.
5. The winner of a Finals Best of 11 will win the Event.</div></div>

 

well this is precisely why I asked the question:
KOF had a big boom when it took off and the reason for that was due to players not supporting MLG and letting their game die.

We've done a great job standing by our game thus far and i would like to know if we would do it again even if "we get caught up in e-sports"

As for the online, I would more than likely hold regional online matches so there is no issue. plz continue the discussion

 

Also, keep in mind, these are all problems that can be adjusted - which is why i ask. so don't count any possibility out!

 

This right here is the mindset we need. Assuming MLG will be unreasonable because they're MLG doesn't really follow. They want money so will probably listen to the community here.