To clarify. . . does this mean that a 3K which crumples on side turn CH will lead to a crumple when used in these situations? Or does the side-roll recovery attack have to be a move that would crumple during ANY normal hit from side turn?

Also to clarify. . . side-turn recovery means what exactly using our normal english terms. Does it mean a tech roll from a knockdown that leaves your opponent perpendicular to you when they hit the ground? What exactly does side-turn recovery mean in terms of the glossary we english speaking players use? I'm unclear if they're referring to their state on the ground, or just their state after they've gotten up from the ground.

I want to understand this tech, but I need to know what state they're talking about in order to re-create it.

I see so it's a tech roll. I never hear anyone refer to it as SRR (too damn long). Also lame that not all the characters can use this tech. Salty tears are shed.

What is the comparison between punishing of Side-Roll Recovery in VF4 - VF5 - VF5FS:
VF4 & VF5:
- in-place Ukemi: No crouch phase > Throw him
- side-roll Ukemi: have crouch phase with vulnerable window > Mid strike him (for ex, K) to provoke back Stagger.

VF5FS:
- in-place Ukemi: No crouch phase > Throw him
- side-roll Ukemi: i thought have NOT vulnerable window in crouch phase > no punish
RESUME: in-place Ukemi - is must to be not used move, NO balance!

Now, we see this news about side-crumple, but "not everyone has a move that causes Side Crumple on NH is a non-issue"... i dont think so, prev.parts it (balance) was, now - not.

Just so it's clear: you can guard the crumple moves. The only 'guaranteed' thing here is that they can not be evaded or reversed, they will either hit or be guarded.

A second thing to note is (if my memory serves me right) that moves that sidecrumple on NH will deal 25+ damage. The second thing that occurs here is that if they're sideguarded, instead of gaining 2 or 3 frames on block, these moves' disadvantage on guard gets reduced by 6 (!) frames. So a lot of unsafe moves become safe and some moves give frame advantage instead of disadvantage. For example, Lau kokei p+k (Lau's doublepalm), which is normally -3 on guard, becomes +3 on sideguard.

Very cool video, thanks for posting, Myke

well said. I just happen to really like this particular tool a lot and wish my character of choice had it.

nice vid but so sad aoi dont have!

Neko akira is mad late, ik about this already but still good though. Tricky remember i was telling you about Jacky's oten ukemi? About SS ~K? Thats what i was talking about with jacky where i can deal over 100 dmg with a side crumple, but u ddnt seem to understand back then lol. But it seems its limited to certain characters. Jacky's may be easiest to use because of SS. Everyone else is harder. :/ IDK, i could be wrong because Neko keeps using it after combos ONLY. Just use a half or full circular then use the mid on a exact tech roll. lt hits + i rather use my combos 4 max dmg then tech roll set ups. Too bad eileen doesnt have a side crumple move on NH huh? lame

Who cares? Just guard the attack.

The one thing I can't figure out is how is he getting some of those side turn crumples either off of a failed evade or without any movement. I thought you were considered to be facing forward during a side tech roll unless the opponent OMed... but I guess not.

The other thing is that a couple of these setups do not look very practical, as the combos are being cut short, whereas you could take more damage while still getting a meaty -- and if you're at the wall, that meaty hit can lead to tons of damage itself (the previous video was an example of this, with the side-turned 3K hits into guaranteed 2Ps, which then lead into a side-turn wall stun and a ton of damage).

That's one way to look at it, but you also sacrifice really good oki opportunities. The idea is to mix it up so the opponent doesn't know what you're going to go for.

Sure - in a perfect universe where everyone is the perfect player, people will know all of the combos/setups people are can do, and which ones the opponent will go for. I can certainly say I'm nowhere near close to having that knowledge.

True but with jacky it doesnt matter lol. During certain combos i can use his 4pk as a ender making him backturned. Which gives me option from his back moves or SS. I can use mid attack during a exact tech roll too.

Its said this works for moves that side crumple on NH. What is the difference (any examples?) of a move that causes crumple on NH and a move that causes "side" crumple on NH? Do certain moves when hitting the side turned oppnent crumple them, but if they were faced forward it would not crumple? I am used to the 3k side turned CH crumple but any examples would help. thnx

Thank you Cozby.... Good players love having options.. i don't think he grasp that idea fully.

Lame? She has plenty other stuff other characters don't have Thats the point in character diversity. Secondly Just cause you know this don't mean there aren't others looking to improve. Its nice to know but it is not a game breaker.

Sadly this doesn't apply to our favorite ninja as well as some other characters.

Eileen's 3k can crumple on NH after a 3k wall stagger, just saying.

All moves go into CH crumple versions on wall stagger... Come on Son.. Thats universal knowledge.