Question about wiffed 0 frame throw..

I have a question about 0 frame throw. Once it is get wiffed either by ducking or by backdashing, will there be another throwable frame at 12th window?

I mean if you duck the 0 frame throw, and stand up guarding 4~5 frame later, will you be thrown still because the 0 frame throw now becomes 12 frame throw???

These are possibility that I can think of about wiffed 0 frame throw.
1) It becomes 12 frame throw(i.e. 2 throwable windows).
2) It doesn't become 12 frame throw, and the total wiffed animation will be 36 frames(wiffed frames for a normal throw).
3) It doesn't become 12 frame throw, but the total wiffed animation will be only 24 frames(discluding 12 frame normal throw execution).

What should be the answer?

 

At the moment you enter a throw the system will recognize if its zero frame. If it is, it will execute (or be escaped) instantly. If it isn't you get a normal (12f) throw.

Thus, a whiffed throw can never have been 0f in the first place, because if all the of criteria were met it would have simply executed. You can only speak of a whiffed throw if the last hit frame of a 12f throw has passed and no connection was made.


So yeah, theoretically speaking a throw does have two windows of execution, the first being the moment it was typed in (and restricted by various conditions), the second being 12f after that. Hhhmmmm, never thought of it that way.

aside: I'd say clash is also assessed at that 0f moment, when the system knows it has to start the first frame of the throw animation.

 

Yeah, it's a complete misnomer... if a throw doesn't connect as 0frame, it's always 12 frame... not possible to "whiff" a throw and still count it as a 0frame.

Vortigar: Actually clashes are calculated on the 12th frame... except with the very longest attacks in the game, clashing requires that the attack started after the throw was first input, so there isn't any possible way the game could calculate them on the first frame of the throw.

 

Oh of course, it's for using throws while you're at advantage.
Silly me...

 

Is this means that if I duck the 0 frame throw, there will be another throw coming over my head at 12th frame?

This sounds a little odd....:|

 

Yeah, you're thinking of it wrong. 0frames only occur if you're standing around doing nothing, or sometimes when you're stuck in recovery frames... you can't do anything to avoid them, that is, it's not possible to "duck" a 0frame, because there was a grand total of zero frames for you to attempt to input the crouch command.

If you happen to already be crouching (or evading, or otherwise unthrowable), than any throw your opponent uses will be 12 frame, and yes, it is possible to stand up during the "grab" animation, and get thrown at the actual 12th frame.

 

I mean "duck" to avoid the first 0 frame detection, then second "duck" to avoid the what is now become the 12 frame throw.

In VF5, I need to be in crouching status for the entire 12 frames now, or I will be thrown either in the begining or at the end, right? That's why I am saying it is two point throw.

 

I have a question about standing from crouch position to stand-how long(frames) is it?
i know that crouching=7 frames, by crouch dash=6 frames.

 

What I mean by "duck" is that if someone dash-in and do a throw, I will be thrown by 0 frame throw. But if I was crouching, the 0 frame throw will not occur, so I don't get thrown by 0 frame throw. So technically I "duck"ed my opp.'s 0 frame throw attempt by making 0 frame throw occurence detection fail. Not ducking the 0 frame motion, but 0 frame occurence detection.

And the way I understood is that in VF5 a single throw command has 2 chances of throwing. The first chance is where 0 frame throw validity detection held place, and even if it fails, he will still get another throwing chance 12 frame later w/o giving any extra joystick input because the throw now becomes 12 frame throw.

So I call it two point throw...

 

Ok, Ok. I found better way to put it.

0 frame throw cannot be ducked
However, 0 frame throw detection can be ducked.

Hope this brings us some peace /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

 

That is not what a zero frame throw is. A zero frame throw occurs when the opponent is Idle. Wether the opponent dashed in for a throw or did it from standing, that has nothing to do with it being a 0 frame throw.

I think maybe you got confused by some threads (like in the akira forum) where a situation is discussed where one dashes in for the 0 frame throw. But it's not the dash by itself that makes it 0 frames, but the overal situation.

anyways, read what Myke said and read the system wiki, http://virtuafighter.com/wiki/doku.php?id=vf5:system

 

You can stand up in time to be thrown by a 12-frame throw.

 

Thanks for answer =((

 

0frame throw is a nightmare!

-i get an elbow blocked and apply ETEG.
-opponent delays a large window of my slow evade and gets a 0frame throw.
- /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif grrr



( /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif grrr)

 

Yeah, but it teaches you not to fuckign stand there and just guard. It teaches you "active" defense. the other day I was playing against a certain Akira in quest mode (Vald, 9th dan, South arcade). He's the perfect actualisation of Joji Suzuki's old rule of the thumb for Akira: if you opponent stands, throw him, if he crouches, elbow him. This Vald guy mixes low backfist, elbows and throws extremely well. Very good AI to practice against if you ask me.

 

he wasn't just standing guarding, read his post he got caught in a failed evade trap, what is active defense out of curiosity?
Bk why did you eteg after blocked elbow anyways?

 

Wolfs screw hook is -8 on block if he meant that..