Throws help

Hey guys, maybe (for sure) this stuff has already been discussed somewhere else, but please be patient.. even the dojo section can be hard to read for a newbie like me. So my question is about throws. They can be "normal" throws (p+g) or "command" throws (p+g+direction/specific command). And they can be broken with (p+g), normal ones, and (p+g+reverse direction) command ones. But.. the throws themself, normal and command, are identical in their startup, and they only can be broken with their specific break (p+g doesn't break command ones, and viceversa). So how the hell can you break them? You guess their type as you see the throw animation starting? Or do you actually have the reflexes to see and react in that sooo little window? I'm doing exercise having recorded all type of throws, and playing them randomly in the free command dojo, but men, how can a human being be so fast? Is there a way to identify them from their startup? In Tekken you can break throws, but it's certanly more easy, you have more time to do it, and throws doesn't have the importance that they got in VF. So.. if i want to learn to play, i need to know how to defend myself and break them, but is it really that hard, or am i missing something? How can you recognize throw's types, and decide which break input give? Thanks guys if you want to give a hand, i'm spending a good amount of time doing practice but this thing is driving me mad..

 

Dude. In final showdown there are 3 types of throws. P+G , →P+G and ←P+G.
You have to guess what input you have to keep pressed do escape the throw. It's called "lazy throw escape". You can only keep one direction pressed, therefore you have one chance in three to be sucessful.
In vf you cannot "react" to the throw, you have to " guess".
Hope I could help.

 

@Aze_ITA There are no much more to say: you need to guess. But reminds you only need too guess at 6 frames of disadvantage, with , -2 or -3 you can press down briefly and release at time to guard a mid hit, with -4 and ,5 you need to do crouching dash cancel guard sound horrible but is only 33g (diagonal forward-down twice and a bit delay and press guard) this tech is called fuzzy. Example: you press p and your opponent guard you have 2frames of advantage then you try elbow usually with 6p and you opponent guard again now you are at ,-5 ( 5 frames of disadvantage) no problem do 33g and you avoid both the throw or the mid
In my experience beginners try normal throw most of the times better players like forward throw in some point of the way we love backward throws like opponent can't escape it after we think my x-direction throw is the most damaging I will always go for it and found that good player know the direction to avoid more-damaging-throws of all the cast and return to guess but more funny.
There are more advanced tech but for now is better: guess and if you think your opponent will throw you use the big launcher.
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Sorry Marly I'm writing with mobile while your post arrive I duplicate some things

 

Guys thank you so much, i didn't expect so much responses. And mostly, i'm happy that i was wrong about thinking that throwns could be "broken", and instead they should be "guessed". That's the reason why i'm enjoin learning VF i think, that everything has to be thinked and not just learned mechanicaly. I will go deep inside your suggestions, you're a gold mine, and @Myke i'm going right now checking the wiki page you mentioned

 

@Myke and @Aze_ITA @MarlyJay About Side Throw Escape in my opinion the explanation in the game and some in this page is weird and dificult to apply. I think is easier to explain based on your opponent position and apply this two rules:
1.
foreground (outside the screen) then press forward direction, your opponent background (deeper in the screen) press bacward when your opponent move to your side
2.
if you see your back press forward if not backwardo when you get hit by a circular attack

Sorry como decia Celia Cruz my English is not very good looking

 

Side throw is literally what you said at the end Ares, If you see your own front, break back. If you see your back, break front. Remember you're still -2 after breaking it

 

I remember side throw break directions by paying attention to which arm of my body is getting grabbed. If my left arm is getting grabbed then it's a left side break, if my right arm is getting grabbed it's a ride side break.

 

Throws with with directional imputs and those without are both considered Normal Throws in VF. This stems from the fact that they execute in 10 frames.The concept of "Commands Throws" comes from Tekken I believe. Although there are 5 different types of throws. Standing, Low, Ground, Hit (a throw that animates after certain successful attack) and Catch (a throw that with enough plus frames can eat a attack and can't be broken).

 

And with breaking Side Throws, here's the easy way Jami San taught me. If you are facing TOWARDS the screen break AWAY from the opponent. If you're facing AWAY from the screen break TOWARDS the opponent. This way it doesn't matter if you are on P1 or P2 side it's the same.

 

Guess I never had to think about that since my brain did it for me automatically... Young people are so advantaged in fighting games lol

 

It's all about practice.

 

Just escape in the direction based on your character's perspective. Never thought that'd be difficult to learn, but I guess everyone's mind works different.

SHH.

 

It's still hard to capitalize on the advantage sine many throw breaks leave you so far from the opponent from side turn.

 

Is this defensive drill in the wiki?