@Myke the problem of crushes being a thing in tekken vs VF is simple:

In VF, highs hits above (average character) neck. Lows hits behinf his knee. Mids in between. Being a developer and knowing all highs will hit above certain height while mids under, it is super simple to make colisions work properly withotu any crush system.

Contrary in Tekken, you have highs hitting below your knees. You have mids hitting above your head. You have lows hitting your waist. Hell, most highs and mids hits around the same level and you have no way how to tell which is which unless you have hard knowledge.
Hardcoded crush system is neccessity in order to make the game work properly.

And this is why you need crush system in Tekken and why it is so laughable for VFers

EDIT: This, as a result, is a thing I love on VF and actualyl hate on Tekken. In VF for 99% of moves, you can tell their hit-level with certanity just by seeing them. In Tekken, I am afraid to esitmate but hell, it will probably be under 60%.

SEGA can still make a 10 times better Virtua Fighter than Bamco.

When i see Tekken 7 or Soul Calibur 6 in 2017/2018 and then Virtua Fighter 5/VF5FS from 2006/2012... No, we absolutely don't need them.

and of course i want it to be a SEGA game, it's like asking if i want Smash to stay a Nintendo game.

Get fucked Tekken fans or DOA fans, stop asking for VF stuffs coming to your fighting games (SEGA or VF guest characters, cross over, and now they want to make our game...). If you want some Virtua Fighter, just play VF5FS and wait for VF6.

Lol Law players are gonna be useing the fuck outta that attack!

Well how do you explain that confusing attack Kage has? You know one of those Lows that hit at the waist you mentioned.

Well can you explain why some attacks force crouch on block? Or why throws will miss when off axis? Or why is there even a such thing as being off axis?

Regardless, I'm not sure if I'll like it. I haven't really liked the series since 3rd and 4th one. It's gotten harder for me to connect with both last and current gen games, but I'm hoping that will change. I miss that "rush" from this genre.

With VF's blueprint already established, I can see how a creative and talented developer/producer can improve and build upon it and give us a quality product and sequel worthy of the VF name. I'd give it every possible chance. If I end up not liking it, it won't be because I didnt give it every shot or because I'm bias against any company that isn't SEGA making it. That's just dumb.

I bet there's a ton of ideas other developers have that would work in a VF system that they just can't implement in another fighting game franchise like Tekken, for one reason or another. Maybe fresh eyes and ideas from another developer is just what this franchise needs.

Just give the license to YuSuzuki to make Fighters Megamix 2 so he can add a Shenmue character in It Ryo

Well there's also Aoi's bt which i eventually found out was a low. Even though it looks like a mid.

Lion 1K......

I was referring to what you said here:

These are all innovations VF made prior to 1998, are they not?

Anyway, no, I don't think that there needs to be "major innovations" with each new version of a fighting game. I was just wondering how fair it is to expect any fighting game to introduce many as far as gameplay is concerned since the turn of the century. This was a tangent from my point that I don't think that Tekken can evolve very much because of the kind of game that it is.

Um, gravity? Downward force? I don't know. Which attacks do you mean? I'm thinking of axe kicks and such. Why does Jacky's SS force a crouch? Being knocked backwards? It's the developer's choice of effect...

Why wouldn't throws miss off axis? If someone tried to grab you and you side stepped, are you telling me that it wouldn't miss?

Why is there such a thing as off axis? You're hit during a side step and the attacker doesn't realign with you. Bamco should make more stuff track off axis, because it's annoying.

Mortal Kombat was the first block button iirc

I'm in.

I was a teenager when VF5 came out and I started playing.

30 now.

Hurry up.

I think it was either out of Konami's Galactic Warriors or Sega's Champion Boxing from the mid 1980s of the Pre-Street Fighter era. Each had 3 buttons, one is for blocking. Many of the gameplay innovations happened with Konami's fighters at the time, Shanghai Kid (combos) and Brian Jack Uchi Mata (the first with controller motions), but unfortunately modern ones take credit for nearly all of them.

I totally fucking agree. Thankfully VF doesnt have this problem with off axis....execpt with wall combos. But that shit is apparent when is happens.

Lol everyone forgets about Pit Fighter... Which predates Mortal Kombat.